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people seem to enjoy it which is always

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medicine today we talk about subjects

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ranging from nootropics to the potential

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of all the pieces of evidence that

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you've seen that you've heard of hard

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extraordinary and why is it not ordinary

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mobility or function but it might have a

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who watched a craft crash is that

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walked through the wall

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into the

289
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pointed

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towards where the object was

291
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okay well that's strange right first of

292
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all because

293
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to me at least the object looks very

294
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ordinary it looks like it's something

295
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was probably

296
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you know taken from some farm tractor or

297
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something and

298
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you know

299
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uh i would love it if the people would

300
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look online

301
00:10:38,470 --> 00:10:36,399
overlaying an image you know

302
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but no i mean you so overlay the image

303
00:10:42,710 --> 00:10:39,839
yeah and

304
00:10:43,829 --> 00:10:42,720
um you know can anybody identify this

305
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you know they've been things like said

306
00:10:47,750 --> 00:10:45,920
oh this is a piece of of something from

307
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a windmill well that's that's nice

308
00:10:52,630 --> 00:10:51,279
speculation but show me and i would love

309
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for somebody to show me that that's what

310
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it is because

311
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again to me it looks ordinary

312
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um but if it is ordinary then why would

313
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the children say that later the being

314
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seemed to come and point at it as if it

315
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was something important

316
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and it comes back to that thing that

317
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both john keel and

318
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jacques have said is that after these

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events occur

320
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there are these

321
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reinforcement

322
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efforts that seem to go on like like the

323
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the men in black show up the day after

324
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and tell you not to do so not to say

325
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something what's going to make you

326
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remember something more

327
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than if somebody shows up and tells you

328
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so

329
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rightfully

330
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and as jacques has said because i think

331
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frankly he's the king of skeptics

332
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um said this is absurd

333
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you know how does it make sense

334
00:11:59,750 --> 00:11:57,920
what do we make from something like this

335
00:12:01,670 --> 00:11:59,760
so anyway that's

336
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those are the two that that i'm most

337
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interested in you know then i guess a

338
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third one would be the the bismuth

339
00:12:08,870 --> 00:12:07,360
material

340
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that hal put off

341
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talks about a lot around the wave guide

342
00:12:16,230 --> 00:12:13,760
um you know i've i i've looked at it and

343
00:12:17,670 --> 00:12:16,240
i have heard both sides of the argument

344
00:12:19,910 --> 00:12:17,680
as to whether it's you know the

345
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byproduct of just a normal human

346
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smelting process versus is it something

347
00:12:25,190 --> 00:12:22,959
real

348
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i i don't know um

349
00:12:29,990 --> 00:12:27,760
so i guess only further testing

350
00:12:33,350 --> 00:12:30,000
will determine there's other materials

351
00:12:35,750 --> 00:12:33,360
like the one from san san augustine uh

352
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that again i have looked at now several

353
00:12:40,230 --> 00:12:37,680
of them not all of them but several of

354
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them and they're completely explainable

355
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and we'll be

356
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publishing some papers on those as well

357
00:12:47,110 --> 00:12:45,200
uh people who think that there's

358
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something called

359
00:12:52,069 --> 00:12:49,440
alien honeycomb it's not

360
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it's something from a 1940s

361
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process and that's if anything a

362
00:12:58,949 --> 00:12:55,920
a bit of a

363
00:13:02,389 --> 00:12:58,959
will we haven't talked about that

364
00:13:05,030 --> 00:13:02,399
publicly but we we know absolutely that

365
00:13:08,790 --> 00:13:05,040
the so-called alien honeycomb is

366
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not it's from a it's from a 1940s uh

367
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standard um

368
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aeronautics

369
00:13:15,509 --> 00:13:13,839
process

370
00:13:16,710 --> 00:13:15,519
do you have any biological samples in

371
00:13:18,230 --> 00:13:16,720
your possession

372
00:13:22,790 --> 00:13:18,240
no

373
00:13:24,629 --> 00:13:22,800
i don't i don't um i was offered some

374
00:13:26,710 --> 00:13:24,639
biological samples these are the some of

375
00:13:29,110 --> 00:13:26,720
the so-called implants

376
00:13:31,030 --> 00:13:29,120
but when i started asking questions

377
00:13:33,430 --> 00:13:31,040
about the um

378
00:13:35,030 --> 00:13:33,440
the provenance of these things i and the

379
00:13:36,389 --> 00:13:35,040
first one was

380
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well where

381
00:13:40,069 --> 00:13:38,240
where's the consent forms from the

382
00:13:43,509 --> 00:13:40,079
patient

383
00:13:45,829 --> 00:13:43,519
right and um because you can't just go

384
00:13:47,269 --> 00:13:45,839
running willy-nilly with pieces of

385
00:13:49,509 --> 00:13:47,279
people's bodies or things out of

386
00:13:51,030 --> 00:13:49,519
people's bodies that first of all don't

387
00:13:52,949 --> 00:13:51,040
have consent forms

388
00:13:55,590 --> 00:13:52,959
uh second of all

389
00:13:57,350 --> 00:13:55,600
uh and that's for both hipaa as well as

390
00:13:58,790 --> 00:13:57,360
as other reasons i'm about to tell you

391
00:13:59,670 --> 00:13:58,800
which is

392
00:14:03,910 --> 00:13:59,680
that

393
00:14:05,829 --> 00:14:03,920
nodule out of somebody's arm

394
00:14:08,389 --> 00:14:05,839
well who's to say it's not cancer did

395
00:14:10,069 --> 00:14:08,399
you send it to a pathologist for review

396
00:14:11,670 --> 00:14:10,079
none of these things were done with most

397
00:14:13,269 --> 00:14:11,680
of these things and i i realized that

398
00:14:15,430 --> 00:14:13,279
the person who realized who took out

399
00:14:16,550 --> 00:14:15,440
some of these things was themselves a

400
00:14:17,829 --> 00:14:16,560
doctor

401
00:14:18,870 --> 00:14:17,839
but they probably should have known

402
00:14:21,750 --> 00:14:18,880
better

403
00:14:24,069 --> 00:14:21,760
you know because if these days something

404
00:14:26,389 --> 00:14:24,079
goes wrong and that person

405
00:14:29,030 --> 00:14:26,399
gets cancer even if it wasn't that thing

406
00:14:30,629 --> 00:14:29,040
wasn't cancer somebody could quite

407
00:14:32,710 --> 00:14:30,639
rightly ask you

408
00:14:36,629 --> 00:14:32,720
did you test that how do you know that

409
00:14:39,110 --> 00:14:36,639
that wasn't uh a initiating cancer and

410
00:14:41,110 --> 00:14:39,120
the person died of a metastasis

411
00:14:43,269 --> 00:14:41,120
so you're at fault

412
00:14:46,949 --> 00:14:43,279
so the materials that i

413
00:14:48,550 --> 00:14:46,959
uh were sent was sent at one point after

414
00:14:50,069 --> 00:14:48,560
i asked that question within a few days

415
00:14:51,350 --> 00:14:50,079
i sent it right back

416
00:14:54,710 --> 00:14:51,360
and said no

417
00:14:56,870 --> 00:14:54,720
i mean would i love to be able to get a

418
00:14:59,189 --> 00:14:56,880
handle on biological materials

419
00:15:01,110 --> 00:14:59,199
absolutely because i can go through all

420
00:15:02,710 --> 00:15:01,120
of the testing that i know how to do in

421
00:15:06,069 --> 00:15:02,720
fact i'm probably better at biological

422
00:15:08,310 --> 00:15:06,079
materials than i am at metals

423
00:15:10,629 --> 00:15:08,320
are you able to test if it's cancer like

424
00:15:14,230 --> 00:15:10,639
you are you able to test now even though

425
00:15:17,590 --> 00:15:16,389
as long as it's been preserved i can't i

426
00:15:19,910 --> 00:15:17,600
sent it back

427
00:15:21,350 --> 00:15:19,920
but you know the other thing is that you

428
00:15:23,910 --> 00:15:21,360
you can't

429
00:15:25,509 --> 00:15:23,920
if i don't have a consent form from the

430
00:15:27,750 --> 00:15:25,519
patient

431
00:15:30,389 --> 00:15:27,760
and in some cases some of these let's

432
00:15:32,310 --> 00:15:30,399
say objects are are so

433
00:15:34,710 --> 00:15:32,320
old if you will

434
00:15:35,829 --> 00:15:34,720
uh that there is no consent form and

435
00:15:38,230 --> 00:15:35,839
then you'd have to go to the family

436
00:15:40,629 --> 00:15:38,240
members to get consent

437
00:15:43,829 --> 00:15:40,639
because the people are public

438
00:15:45,430 --> 00:15:43,839
and often and the names are public

439
00:15:46,870 --> 00:15:45,440
and you know the families might not want

440
00:15:48,710 --> 00:15:46,880
to be besmirched so you know you just

441
00:15:49,990 --> 00:15:48,720
got to be very careful with all of this

442
00:15:52,069 --> 00:15:50,000
stuff

443
00:15:54,550 --> 00:15:52,079
you know and i think i learned it i i

444
00:15:56,550 --> 00:15:54,560
learned this uh most through the the

445
00:15:57,590 --> 00:15:56,560
atacama exercise

446
00:16:00,470 --> 00:15:57,600
um

447
00:16:02,470 --> 00:16:00,480
that even though i didn't think it was

448
00:16:04,550 --> 00:16:02,480
uh

449
00:16:06,470 --> 00:16:04,560
i thought that it was probably like a

450
00:16:09,030 --> 00:16:06,480
monkey or something like that when we

451
00:16:09,990 --> 00:16:09,040
found out conclusively that acaba was

452
00:16:11,509 --> 00:16:10,000
human

453
00:16:14,870 --> 00:16:11,519
well that's when

454
00:16:17,030 --> 00:16:14,880
the ethicists descended and moss

455
00:16:19,590 --> 00:16:17,040
to say well we you should have known

456
00:16:22,389 --> 00:16:19,600
well you didn't know first of all but

457
00:16:24,629 --> 00:16:22,399
secondly um you know

458
00:16:27,749 --> 00:16:24,639
there were no consents from family which

459
00:16:30,870 --> 00:16:27,759
was you know that's right but you know

460
00:16:31,749 --> 00:16:30,880
i i i didn't take the thing and i didn't

461
00:16:33,829 --> 00:16:31,759
uh

462
00:16:35,749 --> 00:16:33,839
i didn't um

463
00:16:37,749 --> 00:16:35,759
know what it was at the beginning but

464
00:16:39,269 --> 00:16:37,759
now people know conclusively and they

465
00:16:42,150 --> 00:16:39,279
can do what they want

466
00:16:44,870 --> 00:16:42,160
with that data and i think give the give

467
00:16:47,110 --> 00:16:44,880
the young girl a proper

468
00:16:49,269 --> 00:16:47,120
resting but that's a whole other issue

469
00:16:52,230 --> 00:16:49,279
altogether but i mean it does tell you

470
00:16:55,910 --> 00:16:52,240
that you know you can walk into areas

471
00:16:58,389 --> 00:16:55,920
thinking you're doing good and uh you

472
00:17:01,910 --> 00:16:58,399
know when you find out the truth if you

473
00:17:03,670 --> 00:17:01,920
will then people will um decide based on

474
00:17:05,909 --> 00:17:03,680
the truth what you should have done even

475
00:17:07,750 --> 00:17:05,919
before you knew it

476
00:17:09,029 --> 00:17:07,760
that's an interesting point walking into

477
00:17:10,549 --> 00:17:09,039
an area thinking that you're doing good

478
00:17:11,750 --> 00:17:10,559
and then realizing the truth and then

479
00:17:13,270 --> 00:17:11,760
realizing you perhaps shouldn't have

480
00:17:14,710 --> 00:17:13,280
walked into that to begin with there's

481
00:17:16,789 --> 00:17:14,720
this question i have about when

482
00:17:18,630 --> 00:17:16,799
someone's encountering the phenomenon

483
00:17:19,990 --> 00:17:18,640
let's imagine this occurs to one of the

484
00:17:22,150 --> 00:17:20,000
people watching

485
00:17:23,669 --> 00:17:22,160
do you have advice given from all that

486
00:17:25,990 --> 00:17:23,679
you know and all of the people you've

487
00:17:28,630 --> 00:17:26,000
spoken to like lou for example should

488
00:17:30,070 --> 00:17:28,640
someone's approach it stay away run away

489
00:17:31,430 --> 00:17:30,080
i would not like someone directly

490
00:17:33,110 --> 00:17:31,440
afterwards should they not wash their

491
00:17:34,310 --> 00:17:33,120
clothing because that's residual

492
00:17:37,270 --> 00:17:34,320
evidence on it

493
00:17:39,990 --> 00:17:37,280
i see i see like a crime scene um well

494
00:17:41,430 --> 00:17:40,000
first thing is i wouldn't approach it

495
00:17:43,350 --> 00:17:41,440
right because you know you don't know

496
00:17:45,029 --> 00:17:43,360
what it is you know just

497
00:17:47,270 --> 00:17:45,039
just because you see a glowing ball of

498
00:17:49,669 --> 00:17:47,280
something doesn't mean it's an alien it

499
00:17:52,470 --> 00:17:49,679
could be bald lightning you know rare as

500
00:17:54,549 --> 00:17:52,480
it is and that could be you know that's

501
00:17:56,870 --> 00:17:54,559
a purely terrestrially explainable

502
00:17:59,029 --> 00:17:56,880
phenomenon at some level and you you

503
00:18:01,990 --> 00:17:59,039
might hurt yourself

504
00:18:03,830 --> 00:18:02,000
so you know and then i i just wouldn't

505
00:18:05,190 --> 00:18:03,840
approach it and i would save everything

506
00:18:06,870 --> 00:18:05,200
that you can

507
00:18:08,950 --> 00:18:06,880
um and

508
00:18:10,549 --> 00:18:08,960
i think writing down your thoughts at

509
00:18:12,710 --> 00:18:10,559
the moment is probably the most

510
00:18:14,549 --> 00:18:12,720
important thing because remembering

511
00:18:16,150 --> 00:18:14,559
things years later

512
00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:16,160
you fill in the gaps

513
00:18:21,190 --> 00:18:18,240
so you know

514
00:18:24,390 --> 00:18:21,200
write it down but also i would also say

515
00:18:25,430 --> 00:18:24,400
don't believe everything you see

516
00:18:26,870 --> 00:18:25,440
right

517
00:18:28,870 --> 00:18:26,880
just because you see something doesn't

518
00:18:30,549 --> 00:18:28,880
mean it's

519
00:18:32,390 --> 00:18:30,559
actually there

520
00:18:34,150 --> 00:18:32,400
you know there's

521
00:18:35,110 --> 00:18:34,160
there are enough stories about people

522
00:18:37,029 --> 00:18:35,120
who feel that these things are

523
00:18:39,590 --> 00:18:37,039
projections

524
00:18:42,710 --> 00:18:39,600
right that uh so maybe something

525
00:18:44,870 --> 00:18:42,720
projected into an individual's mind

526
00:18:48,150 --> 00:18:44,880
again this is all conjecture and i again

527
00:18:50,630 --> 00:18:48,160
i want to warn the various skeptics who

528
00:18:51,350 --> 00:18:50,640
love to write little nasty grams about

529
00:18:52,230 --> 00:18:51,360
me

530
00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:52,240
um

531
00:18:56,470 --> 00:18:53,760
you know i'm not

532
00:18:58,070 --> 00:18:56,480
a born and true believer

533
00:19:35,510 --> 00:18:58,080
i

534
00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:35,520
um john keel and jacques

535
00:19:40,390 --> 00:19:38,880
uh primary theses on this

536
00:19:42,310 --> 00:19:40,400
that it's

537
00:19:45,830 --> 00:19:42,320
you know there's there's an element of

538
00:19:47,110 --> 00:19:45,840
irre irreality to this that has yet to

539
00:19:48,710 --> 00:19:47,120
be understood

540
00:19:51,430 --> 00:19:48,720
it drives me crazy

541
00:19:52,470 --> 00:19:51,440
you know thinking about it um

542
00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:52,480
and

543
00:19:57,590 --> 00:19:55,120
anybody especially with jacques

544
00:19:59,510 --> 00:19:57,600
uh with the background and knowledge

545
00:20:01,669 --> 00:19:59,520
about what it is that that jacques

546
00:20:03,750 --> 00:20:01,679
involves himself with is he's always

547
00:20:04,950 --> 00:20:03,760
looking for what's behind the what's

548
00:20:07,190 --> 00:20:04,960
behind

549
00:20:07,990 --> 00:20:07,200
right that what you're presented

550
00:20:10,470 --> 00:20:08,000
is

551
00:20:12,070 --> 00:20:10,480
um as he often has called it a form of

552
00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:12,080
kabuki theater

553
00:20:16,710 --> 00:20:13,919
right it's it's it's something which is

554
00:20:17,909 --> 00:20:16,720
meant to be an intermediary or a

555
00:20:18,830 --> 00:20:17,919
stand-in

556
00:20:21,909 --> 00:20:18,840
for an

557
00:20:23,510 --> 00:20:21,919
objective right that these beings or

558
00:20:24,710 --> 00:20:23,520
whatever the people claim that is that

559
00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:24,720
they see

560
00:20:29,830 --> 00:20:26,880
aren't necessarily

561
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:29,840
the the beings or the or the

562
00:20:35,110 --> 00:20:32,880
consciousness as you're interested in

563
00:20:37,029 --> 00:20:35,120
that's actually driving the process that

564
00:20:38,789 --> 00:20:37,039
there's something put there

565
00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:38,799
in the stead of

566
00:20:42,310 --> 00:20:41,039
whatever this higher level consciousness

567
00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:42,320
is

568
00:20:46,149 --> 00:20:44,480
as an intermediary and i had a long

569
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:46,159
discussion about this i think on the lex

570
00:20:50,230 --> 00:20:48,480
friedman show for people who want to you

571
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:50,240
know talk about that the whole the the

572
00:20:53,750 --> 00:20:51,679
ants and how do you communicate with

573
00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:53,760
ants right right i'll leave a link to

574
00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:55,360
that in the description

575
00:21:00,390 --> 00:20:57,200
many of the skeptics don't unders well

576
00:21:01,430 --> 00:21:00,400
maybe they understand but for this topic

577
00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:01,440
they don't

578
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:03,039
they

579
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:05,280
don't seem to have a handle that science

580
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:07,440
is contingent on speculation

581
00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:09,360
that it's difficult in some ways the

582
00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:11,360
ground that one stands on as a scientist

583
00:21:14,950 --> 00:21:12,720
because it's difficult to build up from

584
00:21:16,149 --> 00:21:14,960
the atomic rational facts and that one

585
00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:16,159
makes intuitive leaps and they're

586
00:21:19,270 --> 00:21:17,520
inspired by logic but often in

587
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:19,280
contradiction to it and independent from

588
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:21,280
it right idea generation is throwing

589
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:23,760
plenty at the wall and noise will fail

590
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:25,280
and inventive ideas are generally seen

591
00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:26,880
as outlandish nonsensical initially

592
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:27,760
anyway

593
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:29,120
one of the goals with the toe channel

594
00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:30,720
with this channel is to have these

595
00:21:34,390 --> 00:21:32,080
behind the door conversations that

596
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:34,400
ordinarily occur in academia to be in

597
00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:36,000
front of the monitor so at some point

598
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:38,080
i'll have on carl firsten and mike 11

599
00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:40,320
who are going to be speculating in real

600
00:21:43,029 --> 00:21:41,600
time

601
00:21:45,029 --> 00:21:43,039
in front of the audience just to show

602
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:45,039
what it looks like right well it's

603
00:21:47,909 --> 00:21:46,400
absolutely true and you you call out

604
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:47,919
something and i haven't i've ever

605
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:50,320
haven't really ever put it that way um

606
00:21:54,149 --> 00:21:53,120
is that the foundation of science

607
00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:54,159
is

608
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:56,559
as you said pure speculation but i go

609
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:58,480
only a step further

610
00:22:01,669 --> 00:22:00,000
the foundation of science is built on

611
00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:01,679
fantasy

612
00:22:05,669 --> 00:22:03,520
right that the

613
00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:05,679
the fantasies of how we think the world

614
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:07,280
is operating

615
00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:10,240
right i mean nobody would have even

616
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:12,400
and all of our science is almost two to

617
00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:13,840
three thousand years old if you go back

618
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:15,039
to plato

619
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:17,200
uh and the greeks and even further back

620
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:19,600
many other cultures have all contributed

621
00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:22,080
um and and yet none of them understood

622
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:24,799
that today reality is built up from

623
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:27,360
these quantum waveforms

624
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:29,919
right way down at the at the base level

625
00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:31,840
of whatever it is that the universe

626
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:35,200
really is and so and yet our

627
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:38,159
our ability to talk about it is all

628
00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:41,440
built on surrogate knowledge

629
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:44,240
of what is actually really operating and

630
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:46,320
only as it gets to

631
00:22:51,270 --> 00:22:48,720
an observable level uh do we ever really

632
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:51,280
talk about what reality is and yet way

633
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:54,559
down deep is this complex math

634
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:55,919
that is

635
00:23:01,830 --> 00:22:59,520
is still yet unexp unexplainable

636
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:01,840
and and so it's

637
00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:03,600
we're building our picture of the world

638
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:05,840
on a form of a fantasy and and and

639
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:07,600
science does that

640
00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:09,600
right i mean the

641
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:13,280
the um as a biologist for instance

642
00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:16,640
we rarely if ever see the things

643
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:18,320
in their

644
00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:19,760
native form

645
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:22,240
that we talk about inside of cells

646
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:24,480
everything is with these surrogate

647
00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:25,679
measurements

648
00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:27,520
i attach something to something else and

649
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:31,679
when it does this i infer that

650
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:34,480
and so we make up these ideas about how

651
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:36,480
it is that nature

652
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:38,400
is constructed

653
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:41,600
but it's rarely having seen

654
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:43,679
what it is that's there and it was

655
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:46,240
really only you know in say the last 50

656
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:47,520
or so years

657
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:49,760
with the advent of things like electron

658
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:51,200
microscopy

659
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:53,600
and uh

660
00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:55,279
the determination of protein structures

661
00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:58,320
and other things by by crystallography

662
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:59,200
that

663
00:24:03,269 --> 00:24:01,200
our fantasies

664
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:03,279
matched a picture of the reality where

665
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:04,880
we could actually see the proteins that

666
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:06,640
we knew were there and they had the

667
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:09,039
modules and the pieces on them that we

668
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:11,679
inferred must be operable from other

669
00:24:15,669 --> 00:24:14,240
genetics or other kinds of experiments

670
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:15,679
and so i think

671
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:18,400
science is moving towards a more

672
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:20,640
let's say picture-based

673
00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:23,760
view of the world

674
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:25,600
but

675
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:28,080
most of our linguistics around the

676
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:31,279
discussion of science is still using

677
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:33,760
the fantasy language of 100 to 200 years

678
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:35,520
ago

679
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:37,760
so you have to but you have to come up

680
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:40,240
with crazy ideas to explain

681
00:24:44,789 --> 00:24:42,080
these i mean we see it every day in my

682
00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:44,799
lab you're like wait how what what's

683
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:47,039
going on here uh maybe it's this maybe

684
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:49,279
it's that and and i always tell people

685
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:51,679
that at least the way that i do it is

686
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:54,240
that your your best at science when you

687
00:24:59,110 --> 00:24:56,880
can instantly formulate

688
00:25:02,310 --> 00:24:59,120
a whole range

689
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:02,320
of ideas that might explain it

690
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,720
and everything from you know things that

691
00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:06,720
are potentially real and based on the

692
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:08,960
experiments you do all the way down to

693
00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:11,679
i jokingly say micro elves running the

694
00:25:15,269 --> 00:25:13,840
universe

695
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:15,279
but you but you have to be able to keep

696
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:17,600
all of that in mind

697
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:20,159
at a moment and then you have to cut

698
00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:22,320
kind of two threshold and in order the

699
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:24,799
most likely chain of probability that

700
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:27,360
one is correct or not and i come up with

701
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:29,840
a couple of thresholds

702
00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:31,760
one threshold is

703
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:33,200
possible

704
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:35,039
and then everything below it is you know

705
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:37,760
yeah okay no there's no micro elves

706
00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:40,080
running the universe um

707
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:41,200
but then

708
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:43,440
and everything above it is possible and

709
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:45,200
then within that you have to be able to

710
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:48,640
say above this is testable

711
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:50,880
and in here is this kind of no man's

712
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:53,200
land of possible

713
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:55,279
but i don't have the instrumentation yet

714
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:56,480
to test it

715
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:58,320
and actually that's the area more often

716
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:01,039
that personally i like to work

717
00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:03,039
because because we

718
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:06,080
don't have the means to test something

719
00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:08,559
or and then that's where for instance

720
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:10,480
i've created a number of companies and

721
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:11,520
sold them

722
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:13,360
over the years and it's always been

723
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:14,960
about

724
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:17,520
shrinking the size of the untestable

725
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:19,120
realm

726
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:21,200
so that we can basically when we come up

727
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:22,880
with a hypothesis

728
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:25,279
that's based on materialism of some sort

729
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:28,080
i can actually see it and that's moved

730
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:30,080
you know i i mean some of the

731
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:32,159
instruments in my lab were spun out as

732
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:34,640
companies and then everybody in the

733
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:36,480
world in the sciences

734
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:39,120
in my area uses them uh

735
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:40,000
and

736
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:41,919
you know but but i've been focusing

737
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:44,159
smaller and smaller and smaller down

738
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:47,919
towards subcellular and now atomic

739
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:50,400
imaging so

740
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:52,480
what do you make of the derision from

741
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:54,640
the skeptics and maybe even scientists

742
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:56,559
who say well i only follow the data and

743
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:57,840
extraordinary claims require

744
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:59,200
extraordinary evidence what's your

745
00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:00,880
response to those statements

746
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:02,320
um

747
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:04,640
well my response is well that's if

748
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:06,320
that's how you want to operate stay in

749
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:07,360
the caves

750
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:13,120
going out um into uncharted territory

751
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:14,480
and uh

752
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:17,120
you know the the the derision comes i

753
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:18,000
think

754
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:21,360
has been made

755
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:25,919
a potential explanation

756
00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:27,120
for

757
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:30,320
the data has been offered

758
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:33,039
um and even when you publish a paper

759
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:35,279
everybody knows that when you publish a

760
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:40,080
paper and you state the conclusions

761
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:42,000
you are stating a formulation of the

762
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:44,240
observations at a moment in time

763
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:46,240
fully well realizing that 10 years from

764
00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:48,000
now or 20 years from now what you

765
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:50,399
thought was x y and z

766
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:52,320
is actually part of a larger framework

767
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:53,440
in picture

768
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:55,840
that uh you can look back and say well

769
00:28:00,149 --> 00:27:58,080
that's not quite the way to look at it

770
00:28:01,590 --> 00:28:00,159
here's how you would think about how

771
00:28:02,789 --> 00:28:01,600
this is operating

772
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:02,799
so

773
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:04,320
papers are

774
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:06,399
although people like to think are

775
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:10,240
scientists saying this is how things are

776
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:11,679
even though it comes across that way

777
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:13,919
often in papers it really is just a

778
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:15,600
moment in time

779
00:28:20,389 --> 00:28:17,760
that you're planning a flag and you're

780
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:20,399
going to say okay 10 20 years from now

781
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:22,720
we might reformulate because new data

782
00:28:27,669 --> 00:28:24,799
has arrived which allows us to put

783
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:27,679
things in a into a bigger picture

784
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:30,320
i mean you know this from from physics

785
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:32,880
you know maxwell's equations on

786
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:35,919
you know on electricity and uh

787
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:37,919
and magnetism

788
00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:38,880
um

789
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:41,039
you know there are formulations of those

790
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:43,120
these days that

791
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:45,200
show that you know there's a form of

792
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:47,039
quantum physics that actually inc that

793
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:49,440
you can that maxwell's equations fall

794
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:51,120
out of

795
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:53,679
but it's a larger the

796
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:56,080
quantum the the quantum equations are a

797
00:29:00,149 --> 00:28:57,440
larger

798
00:29:03,269 --> 00:29:00,159
picture of reality and that

799
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:03,279
the maxwell's equations are just a piece

800
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:08,789
and

801
00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:12,870
the critics actually don't bother me

802
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:15,520
they you know if anything they make

803
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:17,440
themselves out to be

804
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:21,039
uh you know obviously less informed

805
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:23,760
and it's not my job to convince

806
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:26,480
the critics in my opinion my job is just

807
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:28,159
to do the science and get the data out

808
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:31,279
there and say this data is real now

809
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:33,039
you help me figure out what it is that

810
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:34,320
it means

811
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:36,480
and when data comes out that shows that

812
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:39,440
something is not what they want it to be

813
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:41,440
i've i'll be right there

814
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:43,919
in fact if anything i have disproven

815
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:45,760
more things in this field

816
00:29:51,269 --> 00:29:49,279
than i've been i have proven to date

817
00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:51,279
you know the atacama the stark house

818
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:52,480
skull

819
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:54,080
and a couple of these uh so-called

820
00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:55,200
events

821
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:56,559
it sounds like you're saying look i

822
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:58,720
haven't come to conclusions

823
00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:00,240
in fact what you're doing as the

824
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:02,399
quote-unquote skeptic is coming to a

825
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:04,080
non-conclusion by saying so-and-so is

826
00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:06,720
not possible or then they may modify and

827
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:08,240
say well i'm saying so-and-so is not

828
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:10,080
probable but then the way that i like to

829
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:11,919
view that is well not like to view that

830
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:13,360
there's a problem that i can't solve

831
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:14,640
which is called a reference class

832
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:16,559
problem which if anyone studies

833
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:19,039
statistics this comes up it's that how

834
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:20,880
do you know the probability of some

835
00:30:24,149 --> 00:30:22,880
event so for example if i was to say

836
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:24,159
well what's the probability that you're

837
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:25,600
going to die this year and then you

838
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:27,200
could say well

839
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:29,440
well it's actually

840
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:31,279
100 it's 99

841
00:30:34,389 --> 00:30:32,720
and then i say why then you say well if

842
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:34,399
you look at all the life forms on the

843
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:35,279
planet

844
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:36,640
most of them are going to die in the

845
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:38,240
next year because most of them right so

846
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,200
why are you choosing that as your

847
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:41,440
reference class so you'd say okay

848
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:43,520
okay okay so then when someone says well

849
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:45,120
aliens and so-and-so are now or

850
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:46,640
extraterrestrial beings or so-and-so are

851
00:30:49,750 --> 00:30:48,159
not possible they're choosing from a

852
00:30:51,669 --> 00:30:49,760
certain reference class and that i don't

853
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:51,679
know how one justifies that

854
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:53,679
so even claims of probability that

855
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:55,279
so-and-so is more profitable or less

856
00:30:59,909 --> 00:30:57,679
probable they're dubious to me

857
00:31:02,549 --> 00:30:59,919
well the the one that always gets me

858
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:02,559
that just is

859
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:05,279
shows me how some of the skeptics are

860
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:07,760
almost knee-jerk about it is this notion

861
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:09,919
that well if they came from another star

862
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:10,880
system

863
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:12,799
um it would have taken them thousands of

864
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:14,399
years to get here

865
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:16,960
all right well okay i have two solutions

866
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:20,240
to that one it's a very old universe

867
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:21,360
um

868
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:22,159
two

869
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:24,480
uh well and in that there's plenty of

870
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:26,480
time for somebody have to have come here

871
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:28,880
even by simply conventional means and

872
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:31,200
that doesn't mean that

873
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:33,760
the people who created the craft

874
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:36,399
that got here are the ones that are here

875
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:38,080
you know if you're advanced enough to be

876
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:40,480
able to create your own ai

877
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:42,399
right i mean there's the whole concept

878
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:44,720
of the von neumann machines you know

879
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:46,320
this one right the von neumann machine

880
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:47,440
idea

881
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:49,919
that you know something arrives makes

882
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:51,600
more copies of itself

883
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:54,000
sends those copies off elsewhere and

884
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:56,640
basically there's this exponential uh

885
00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:57,679
reach

886
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:01,120
even across you know across galaxies

887
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:02,960
and what's to say that when such an

888
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:07,600
object arrives it doesn't construct from

889
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:08,880
base

890
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:10,080
processes

891
00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:12,000
uh an egg

892
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:14,320
that then is then turned into uh

893
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:16,480
whatever it is that the von neumann

894
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:18,880
machine is meant to make and then

895
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:20,159
you know i mean there have been plenty

896
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:21,840
of science fiction stories written about

897
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:22,640
this

898
00:32:27,509 --> 00:32:25,440
that and when they get there the ai then

899
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:27,519
teaches the humans what it is to be a

900
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:28,480
human

901
00:32:32,789 --> 00:32:30,399
right there's um there's actually one

902
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:32,799
that's just on netflix right now raised

903
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:34,000
by wolves

904
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:36,000
uh it's a british show i think

905
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:38,640
um it's pretty good

906
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:40,320
so i mean that's that's one of them and

907
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:41,360
then second

908
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:42,960
it it assumes that we know everything

909
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:45,440
about the laws of physics

910
00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:47,760
right this notion that okay well they

911
00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:49,519
are somehow

912
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:51,440
as you in your terminology they are

913
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:54,159
bound by our reference frame

914
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:55,600
and uh

915
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:57,840
that our our reference is

916
00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:00,000
uh the current laws of understanding of

917
00:33:04,389 --> 00:33:02,240
you know e equals m c squared

918
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,399
uh and you know whatever somebody else

919
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:06,559
has different math

920
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:08,720
right and so if one was going by

921
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:10,399
if one was choosing the reference class

922
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:12,480
to be well look every 60 years or so in

923
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:14,320
physics our formulation of physics is

924
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:15,840
drastically overturned or let's say

925
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:18,159
every 80 years yeah so then and we're

926
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:20,640
assuming these beings if they're beings

927
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:22,240
are far greater than 80 years ahead of

928
00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:23,120
us well

929
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:25,279
right we impose that they have the same

930
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:26,640
understanding of physics

931
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:28,320
also it's false to say that from the

932
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:30,000
nearest star system it takes thousands

933
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:31,840
of years to come to us they can come to

934
00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:33,360
us or someone can come to us with

935
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:34,880
special relativity almost

936
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:36,720
instantaneously it's just that thousands

937
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:38,399
of as far as they're concerned yeah

938
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:40,000
right right in their reference frame

939
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:40,799
right

940
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:43,600
in december of in a few months ago

941
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:46,720
december 2021 diana posalka said on

942
00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:48,799
calling all beings that it's a podcast

943
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:50,080
which i'll leave a link to that in the

944
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:51,440
description that you wanted to create a

945
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:53,440
drug that interfaces with the phenomenon

946
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:54,799
on our terms

947
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:57,120
what was she referring to

948
00:34:02,470 --> 00:33:59,440
um i think she was referring to some

949
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:02,480
comments i had made about

950
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:04,559
you know my frustration

951
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:07,120
listening to experiencers

952
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:09,599
uh and actually having some experiences

953
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:12,320
in in my immediate family

954
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:13,200
um

955
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:13,690
who

956
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:15,119
[Music]

957
00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:17,440
had no control over

958
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:20,320
the events that were occurring to them

959
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:21,200
um

960
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:22,560
and you know there's many many many

961
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:24,800
examples of this in the literature

962
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:28,879
uh and i i

963
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:31,520
if you imagine that whatever this

964
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:33,040
is

965
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:35,520
has to

966
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:38,560
communicate with humans through

967
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:40,639
somehow our sensory apparatus in our

968
00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:41,919
brain

969
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:43,119
whether it's

970
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:45,280
you know directly

971
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:47,520
if it's sound based well then there's no

972
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:49,280
drug for that but if it's somehow coming

973
00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:50,399
inside

974
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:51,440
through

975
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:53,440
the sensory apparatus i used the term

976
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:55,200
telefactoring

977
00:34:57,839 --> 00:35:00,630
that

978
00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:03,910
if it's interfering with us in some way

979
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:06,560
why couldn't we make if we understand

980
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:08,240
enough about how the interference is

981
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:09,839
being generated

982
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:12,720
maybe there's a drug to stop us

983
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:15,280
or to prevent that from occurring you'd

984
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:16,480
i mean there's a lot of science that

985
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:17,760
have to be done around something like

986
00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:19,119
that and i'm not saying

987
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:21,760
it's doable tomorrow or

988
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:23,040
anything like that

989
00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:24,240
uh but

990
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:26,000
um

991
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:28,079
the the notion is for the people who

992
00:35:31,710 --> 00:35:30,640
feel that they are

993
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:31,720
being

994
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:33,599
inappropriately

995
00:35:38,230 --> 00:35:36,320
interacted with give them the ability to

996
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:38,240
turn it off you know it makes you wonder

997
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:40,160
sometimes again this pure speculation

998
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:41,599
makes you wonder sometimes whether

999
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:43,760
people who are in mental health

1000
00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:45,040
facilities

1001
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:46,079
today

1002
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:48,400
so-called schizophrenics or what have

1003
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:49,200
you

1004
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:50,480
um who

1005
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:52,400
can't seem to function properly in

1006
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:54,079
normal society

1007
00:35:59,670 --> 00:35:57,119
how many of them have such

1008
00:36:01,990 --> 00:35:59,680
again speculation

1009
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:02,000
have these continued interactions they

1010
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:03,920
just can't turn them off it would drive

1011
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:05,680
you crazy if some if you constantly

1012
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:10,790
i i just bought a t-shirt by the way

1013
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:13,040
that's really fun i found it online

1014
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:15,520
it said the voices are back

1015
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:20,710
that's freaky well i had some experience

1016
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:22,480
i won't go into it here and it's not a

1017
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:24,079
phenomena well maybe i don't think it's

1018
00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:26,079
a phenomenon experience where i had to

1019
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:27,920
go to the i had to send myself to the

1020
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:31,280
hospital because i was typing and then i

1021
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:33,680
wasn't typing and something said to me

1022
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:35,119
yeah you're you thought you were the one

1023
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:36,640
that was in control and it was using my

1024
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:38,480
fingers whatever it was and i was

1025
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:40,240
freaking the heck and then it said maybe

1026
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:42,320
the crazy ones aren't crazy

1027
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:44,640
inferring implying sorry that so that

1028
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:46,640
that happened to you yeah yeah and that

1029
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:49,200
was and and i was

1030
00:37:16,470 --> 00:36:50,400
i

1031
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:16,480
so please just just treat me calmly and

1032
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:18,560
nicely because i'm in a sensitive state

1033
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:19,839
right now and then they just looked at

1034
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:21,599
me like okay all right let's let's just

1035
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:23,119
wait until the

1036
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:24,640
to the right let's get to

1037
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:27,280
the paramedics come yeah and since then

1038
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:29,599
i i almost never use the word crazy to

1039
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:31,200
refer to someone yeah i think that

1040
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:33,440
that's a word of condescension and it

1041
00:37:38,230 --> 00:37:36,000
also automatically and autumn it also

1042
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:38,240
implies that one has that their frame is

1043
00:37:42,069 --> 00:37:40,400
the correct frame and then it also

1044
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:42,079
triggers me i'm hypersensitive to this

1045
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:44,480
to think about what the heck is reality

1046
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:46,000
and for this line of work that i'm doing

1047
00:37:49,349 --> 00:37:47,200
right now

1048
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:49,359
that's all i do and so i've had to

1049
00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:50,480
actually

1050
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:52,480
stop studying consciousness for a little

1051
00:37:57,270 --> 00:37:54,400
while because it was putting me into an

1052
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:57,280
extremely horrible horrible horrible

1053
00:38:01,510 --> 00:37:59,280
state and i think that anyone who thinks

1054
00:38:03,910 --> 00:38:01,520
about consciousness or ufos even or the

1055
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:03,920
phenomena and takes it seriously that i

1056
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:05,440
don't know how they don't send

1057
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:08,480
themselves into a a spiral of yeah an

1058
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:10,480
unhealthy spiral well i think that's a

1059
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:13,280
really interesting point because

1060
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:15,359
you know i i have again some friends who

1061
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:18,160
are who get so deeply into this that

1062
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:20,880
they do i worry sometimes if they're not

1063
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:21,760
just

1064
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:23,040
you know

1065
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:26,640
creating a a mental world for themselves

1066
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:29,200
of of true fantasy

1067
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:31,680
and so sometimes just get back out into

1068
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:32,960
the real world

1069
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:35,359
um and again don't

1070
00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:36,240
don't

1071
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:38,800
follow it

1072
00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:42,079
down the rabbit hole uh because you can

1073
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:43,359
very easily

1074
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:46,560
as you say uh you can you can create the

1075
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:48,960
problem for yourself that has

1076
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:51,280
it's only going on in your head

1077
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:52,480
um

1078
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:55,040
you know i i had i'll just say this this

1079
00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:56,720
is something i haven't talked about ever

1080
00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:58,960
publicly before i had an experience in

1081
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:01,280
london once

1082
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:02,720
um

1083
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:03,599
that

1084
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:05,839
i still don't understand to this day it

1085
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:07,680
was like you know

1086
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:08,960
i don't know why this always happens at

1087
00:39:12,630 --> 00:39:10,640
three o'clock in the morning

1088
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:12,640
it's hilarious but

1089
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:15,040
for a lot of people um

1090
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:18,240
and i woke up and my whole body was just

1091
00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:19,599
pulsing

1092
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:21,839
and with like some sort of electric fire

1093
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:24,000
like nothing i'd ever felt before

1094
00:39:26,790 --> 00:39:25,040
um

1095
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:26,800
and it

1096
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:29,440
feel it and but hear it hear it and feel

1097
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:33,200
it from the tip of my toes to my fingers

1098
00:39:38,470 --> 00:39:35,040
whole body um

1099
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:38,480
and right as i woke up

1100
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:41,040
it wasn't even words it was more like a

1101
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:43,440
but it was clear it was

1102
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:45,359
the words

1103
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:51,510
and it went on for about 15 seconds

1104
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:54,000
and then i just said whatever stop this

1105
00:40:04,309 --> 00:39:58,630
and

1106
00:40:05,829 --> 00:40:04,319
so i was clearly awake i had control

1107
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:05,839
over it

1108
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:08,480
but again this where did this voice come

1109
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:10,800
from i mean maybe it was a dream

1110
00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:13,040
you know the voice was a dream voice of

1111
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:14,960
some sort but the feeling was not i'd

1112
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:17,520
never had any feeling like that before

1113
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:20,800
um and uh interestingly the next evening

1114
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:22,880
it happened again at about the same time

1115
00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:25,440
but only a very fractional

1116
00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:26,560
um

1117
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:28,400
sense of it

1118
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:30,000
you know so i asked actually i came back

1119
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:31,520
and i asked jack said what what what

1120
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:32,720
could that have been and he said well

1121
00:40:35,589 --> 00:40:34,240
maybe it was a kundalini event or

1122
00:40:38,230 --> 00:40:35,599
something less i went right about

1123
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:38,240
kundalini never heard of it before uh it

1124
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:40,720
didn't seem to match any of that

1125
00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:43,040
um but it was it was

1126
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:46,240
an experience if you will that i can't

1127
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:48,240
explain might be have a completely

1128
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:50,880
normal physiologic basis i spoke to i

1129
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:52,160
mean my next-door neighbor is the

1130
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:54,960
chairman of psychiatry at stanford and

1131
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:56,960
so she sees everything

1132
00:41:01,910 --> 00:40:59,440
um and i spoke with her

1133
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:01,920
yes he's useful and uh

1134
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:03,839
and uh so

1135
00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:05,680
uh she says no that doesn't fall into

1136
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:07,359
any of the frameworks of things that we

1137
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:08,560
hear about

1138
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:10,480
that's not what you want to hear exactly

1139
00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:12,720
i was like damn i just i maybe you just

1140
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:14,319
told me i ate too much indian food or

1141
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:15,520
something

1142
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:17,359
which i do when i go to london a lot

1143
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:19,280
first thing i do is i head to the i head

1144
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:21,760
to the indian restaurants um and so you

1145
00:41:24,870 --> 00:41:23,520
should ask them

1146
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:24,880
yeah

1147
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:25,760
well they might have a different

1148
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:27,760
explanation for it right i mean you know

1149
00:41:34,309 --> 00:41:30,079
the the the mystics and and

1150
00:41:37,109 --> 00:41:34,319
yogis of india i think are at the at the

1151
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:37,119
root of many of these um

1152
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:39,359
uh i don't know the these stories

1153
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:41,440
they're they're probably the most

1154
00:41:47,829 --> 00:41:44,480
sophisticated i would say of the shamans

1155
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:47,839
who have explored uh

1156
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:50,079
uh you know that in in an almost

1157
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,750
have you found that any of the people

1158
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:57,359
who have experienced the phenomena

1159
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:59,440
recall people who are familiar with you

1160
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:00,880
know about the caudate and the putamen

1161
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:02,480
and there's certain connections

1162
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:03,680
okay that

1163
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:04,960
that to me implies that for the people

1164
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:06,800
who don't have those connections if they

1165
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:09,200
were standing next to the other

1166
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:10,880
people that they wouldn't experience the

1167
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:12,400
phenomena if it was purely some

1168
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:14,000
projection that only right class of

1169
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:16,240
people right have you heard of cases

1170
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:18,800
like that yes yeah yeah i mean jacques

1171
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:19,520
will

1172
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:21,440
probably be the better person to

1173
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:23,040
talk to about it because he knows them

1174
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:24,800
specifically but yeah there's there's

1175
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:26,240
several cases where people will see

1176
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:28,480
something that the other person doesn't

1177
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:30,400
um and actually let me tell you talk a

1178
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:31,760
little bit about that about that caudate

1179
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:32,560
thing

1180
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:34,160
um because

1181
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:36,000
you know we've now we've published one

1182
00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:37,200
paper with the group at harvard and

1183
00:42:42,069 --> 00:42:39,440
we've got another one that is coming out

1184
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:42,079
uh that once again

1185
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:44,960
uh the caudate pataman basal ganglia is

1186
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:46,240
at the core

1187
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:48,640
of uh many of the

1188
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,319
let's say the more mainstream things

1189
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:52,560
that we were claiming even before we had

1190
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:54,720
our first publication that the caudate

1191
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:57,440
is the basically is a central node

1192
00:43:03,109 --> 00:43:01,520
involved in intuitive and uh other um

1193
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:03,119
well crystallized

1194
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:06,319
and um fluid intelligence

1195
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:08,560
and so even though kit and i had sort of

1196
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:09,839
come to this conclusion that it was

1197
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:12,480
involved with intuition and we intuited

1198
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:14,880
it that it was involved with intuition

1199
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:16,960
when you dive into the literature

1200
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:18,720
you find

1201
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:21,920
we found easily now dozens of papers

1202
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:24,560
that others have done from completely

1203
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:26,800
mainstream points of view that show the

1204
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:28,640
caudate is

1205
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:29,680
key

1206
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:32,319
to i mean this tiny little thing inside

1207
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:34,880
of your brain this giant brain and this

1208
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:36,800
key little thing in the in the center is

1209
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:39,839
sort of like the node

1210
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:41,520
what we've also done now is we've been

1211
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:42,960
doing uh

1212
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:45,599
what you would call morphometrics

1213
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:47,760
so we've taken the mris of people's

1214
00:43:51,990 --> 00:43:48,720
brains

1215
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:52,000
we've uh basically you can use that to

1216
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:53,040
basically

1217
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:54,880
circle the areas of the brain that

1218
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:57,200
people have recognized before here's the

1219
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:58,560
thalamus

1220
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:01,119
pataman you know all these various

1221
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:02,640
parts of the brain

1222
00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:05,119
um we can get the size the volume the

1223
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:08,079
densities we can even get with the right

1224
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:12,000
uh kind of mri you can get what's called

1225
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:15,680
tensorflow which is really uh the the

1226
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:18,960
the tracts between brain regions that

1227
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:21,760
are uh basically the cables that connect

1228
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:23,920
the various regions

1229
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:26,079
and because we we

1230
00:44:31,510 --> 00:44:28,240
you know in biology that there's that

1231
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:31,520
there's always a give and take across a

1232
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:34,400
system right that if one thing is is

1233
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:37,040
doing something and it's it's bigger

1234
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:39,040
because of it there'll be a compensation

1235
00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:41,680
elsewhere in the system and that it's

1236
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:44,480
the parts all playing together

1237
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:46,319
that create the function

1238
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:47,359
no

1239
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:55,119
uh for let's say uh driving the process

1240
00:45:01,349 --> 00:44:57,920
overall but there's no one thing alone

1241
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:01,359
and so using this notion of networks

1242
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:04,079
we've now been able to see show that

1243
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:05,920
well it's not just the caudate there's

1244
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:08,400
an area over here that when this is

1245
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:09,920
large or small

1246
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:11,760
this compensates

1247
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:13,280
so a person

1248
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:16,560
you know this focus only on the caudate

1249
00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:20,480
is again this is now a reinterpretation

1250
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:22,880
of a flag in the sand because of what we

1251
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:25,280
could do four years ago versus what we

1252
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:26,880
can do today

1253
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:28,480
now today

1254
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:30,960
we can look at the whole brain

1255
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:33,520
automate what we call the segmentation

1256
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:36,319
of the of the brain

1257
00:45:48,069 --> 00:45:43,910
so um when kit did the analysis

1258
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:48,079
originally he did it by hand and he did

1259
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:51,040
it double blinded with another um with

1260
00:45:57,670 --> 00:45:54,000
another uh forensic pathologist

1261
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:57,680
a neurophysiology forensic pathologist

1262
00:46:02,470 --> 00:45:59,920
um and he basically said okay well

1263
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:02,480
here's the area that has the higher

1264
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:03,920
density

1265
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:07,200
um and he basically like it it's hard

1266
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:09,599
enough to figure out what the area in 2d

1267
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:10,400
is

1268
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:13,680
uh but to basically do that in 3d you

1269
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:16,000
know on a computer screen where you're

1270
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:18,319
drawing volumes and

1271
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:19,200
things

1272
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:22,720
that's that's a very manual process

1273
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:24,640
and obviously going to be subject to

1274
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:26,240
bias

1275
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:28,720
right and so you try to know

1276
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:30,960
you you make sure that the person who's

1277
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:33,040
doing the measurements doesn't know what

1278
00:46:37,030 --> 00:46:34,800
it is that they're measuring in other

1279
00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:37,040
words are they from a control group or

1280
00:46:42,069 --> 00:46:39,680
are they from the experiencer or high

1281
00:46:44,069 --> 00:46:42,079
functioning group that you think so you

1282
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:44,079
want to take the person out

1283
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:46,880
so then we built artificial intelligence

1284
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:48,800
uh algorithms

1285
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:52,480
that uh would basically scan the brain

1286
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:54,319
find the volumes

1287
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:57,839
segment means draw a circle around

1288
00:47:01,670 --> 00:47:00,079
them and i have experience with this in

1289
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:01,680
our cancer work where we do this kind of

1290
00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:04,000
segmentation all the time in 2d one of

1291
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:05,359
my companies two of my companies

1292
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:06,960
actually are

1293
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:08,960
you know basically

1294
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:12,000
create biopsy images with a kind of

1295
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:13,920
biological depth that allows us to do

1296
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:16,480
segmentation of the cells and into

1297
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:18,960
regions and neighborhoods and things so

1298
00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:22,000
we're taking the same thing now up to 3d

1299
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:22,800
um

1300
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:24,960
so automate the segmentation means now

1301
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:28,400
we can basically take 200 patients

1302
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:30,720
run it in the program overnight

1303
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:32,720
and get all the segmentation volumes out

1304
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:34,079
the next day

1305
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:36,720
i mean previously it took kit and his

1306
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:38,480
you know his colleague

1307
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:40,319
something like a year

1308
00:47:44,549 --> 00:47:41,599
to do that

1309
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:44,559
that you have before or you need to

1310
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:48,319
rescan people in some new manner yeah we

1311
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:52,319
the um the data that we had before

1312
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:56,079
and because of the havana syndrome

1313
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:57,760
um

1314
00:48:02,710 --> 00:47:59,520
let's say

1315
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:02,720
diagnoses of some of these individuals

1316
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:06,000
it complicates first of all the cohort

1317
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:08,640
second the i i don't have access to

1318
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:12,079
those mris anymore um because once it

1319
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:13,359
started to become clear that this was

1320
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:15,119
going to be an important problem

1321
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:16,960
uh basically kit

1322
00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:21,040
uh put a lockdown on it because because

1323
00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:23,359
me even getting access to these many of

1324
00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:24,800
these patients

1325
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:26,559
and rightly so

1326
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:29,280
because some of the patients were public

1327
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:30,160
and

1328
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:32,240
some of those patients

1329
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:33,680
didn't like the fact that we were

1330
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:35,200
talking about

1331
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:38,000
their uh or as it turned out even though

1332
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:39,760
they had given us verbal permission to

1333
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:41,520
study it and talk a little bit about it

1334
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:44,160
they didn't want to be grouped

1335
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:46,960
with you know either the havana syndrome

1336
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:49,280
or other classifications

1337
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:50,400
and so

1338
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:53,440
uh i don't want to touch them anymore

1339
00:49:00,630 --> 00:48:58,870
no no no because let's say that you are

1340
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:00,640
publicly known

1341
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:03,040
as being such an individual

1342
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:05,119
right maybe as being part of the class

1343
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:07,920
and then i make some statement about

1344
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:08,800
that

1345
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:10,480
like i make the statement oh and so many

1346
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:13,280
people might be crazy well you know i

1347
00:49:16,549 --> 00:49:14,880
mean first of all i wouldn't say that

1348
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:16,559
but second of all

1349
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:18,720
um second of all

1350
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:21,520
they will feel painted by that brush

1351
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:23,440
uh so when you're talking about humans

1352
00:49:25,829 --> 00:49:24,720
and people

1353
00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:25,839
you know

1354
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:27,920
they're not data points they're people

1355
00:49:31,589 --> 00:49:29,200
with feelings

1356
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:31,599
and um and feelings that can be very

1357
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:32,800
easily hurt

1358
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:35,599
and if you are in any way known

1359
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:37,599
for you know having been an experiencer

1360
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:39,359
all it takes is one person tweeting out

1361
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:40,960
your name

1362
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:43,599
and saying you're this or you're that

1363
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:45,599
and you know you can more than just ruin

1364
00:49:49,589 --> 00:49:47,119
somebody's day

1365
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:49,599
and so in the current social media

1366
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:50,800
environment

1367
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:53,119
uh you have to go with entirely

1368
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:55,200
anonymized data

1369
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:57,040
uh which is but when that's the reason

1370
00:50:01,670 --> 00:50:00,319
why we i turned to this group at harvard

1371
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:01,680
um

1372
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:03,599
because you know they

1373
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:07,119
had access to the a lot of the databases

1374
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:08,960
and they had the interest

1375
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:11,680
in the use of mris for these kinds of

1376
00:50:15,430 --> 00:50:13,359
you know more or less say mainstream

1377
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:15,440
studies and so the first paper that we

1378
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:16,559
did

1379
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:18,160
uh we

1380
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:19,119
um

1381
00:50:24,549 --> 00:50:21,680
we looked at schizophrenics and autism

1382
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:24,559
individuals because you know on the far

1383
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:26,480
end in the positive in the fully

1384
00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:28,800
positive sense of schizophrenics

1385
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:31,599
is that often they can be very creative

1386
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:33,040
individuals

1387
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:34,800
because their minds let's say range a

1388
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:36,319
little bit further

1389
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:39,280
than than than others they see or make

1390
00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:40,800
connections that others don't that

1391
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:43,280
others don't exactly and that's really

1392
00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:44,880
the heart of intuition

1393
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:47,119
you know finding disparate datas and

1394
00:50:51,510 --> 00:50:49,440
showing that they actually have a hidden

1395
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:51,520
connection behind the scenes

1396
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:52,559
um

1397
00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:55,760
and then on the other side of the

1398
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:59,119
of the um let's say problem are autistic

1399
00:51:03,910 --> 00:51:00,960
spectral disorder of which there are

1400
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:03,920
many different types of of um autism

1401
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:05,119
but

1402
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:06,000
certain

1403
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:08,800
autistics as you probably know can be

1404
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:11,520
extremely high functioning and they have

1405
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:12,559
again

1406
00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:13,440
almost

1407
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:15,520
not a form of intuition

1408
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:18,240
like they're oh i i i see things that

1409
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:20,640
other people don't it's they can come to

1410
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:23,040
conclusions that are remarkable like

1411
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:24,960
mathematical conclusions

1412
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:26,880
all right p people who are you know you

1413
00:51:30,069 --> 00:51:28,160
can ask them what the square root of

1414
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:30,079
some extraordinary number is

1415
00:51:35,829 --> 00:51:33,040
and they go like that how how where and

1416
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:35,839
why how do they do that what's the

1417
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:37,839
process in their brain that allows them

1418
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:40,160
to do that so as it turns out that if

1419
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:44,160
you look at the mris of such individuals

1420
00:51:47,109 --> 00:51:46,000
one of the areas of the brain that's

1421
00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:47,119
called out

1422
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:49,280
repeatedly in both of them but in

1423
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:50,480
different places

1424
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:53,359
is the caudate containment there are

1425
00:51:57,670 --> 00:51:55,599
what we would call at least from our

1426
00:51:59,589 --> 00:51:57,680
let's say normative standpoint

1427
00:52:01,829 --> 00:51:59,599
uh defects

1428
00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:01,839
in their caudate potamin you know not

1429
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:04,079
like wholesale rupturing or anything

1430
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:05,200
like that but

1431
00:52:09,510 --> 00:52:07,119
you know smaller regions or things that

1432
00:52:11,589 --> 00:52:09,520
seem to be have gone wrong

1433
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:11,599
um so it's the diminution of the caudate

1434
00:52:16,829 --> 00:52:14,160
putainum or is it or just just no

1435
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:16,839
neither just kind of let's say

1436
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:18,400
dysmorphias

1437
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:21,119
this morphe is just kind of like changes

1438
00:52:28,470 --> 00:52:21,839
and

1439
00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:28,480
know that all of them or any of them are

1440
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:30,400
which of them are if it's genetically

1441
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:31,520
determined

1442
00:52:35,349 --> 00:52:33,359
it's evolution

1443
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:35,359
trying out something new

1444
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:37,520
because if it were a successful

1445
00:52:41,589 --> 00:52:39,359
mutation

1446
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:41,599
that helped both that individual and

1447
00:52:48,390 --> 00:52:44,960
their let's say uh genetically related

1448
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:48,400
group uh succeed or compete better than

1449
00:52:52,230 --> 00:52:50,400
others it will be over the course of

1450
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:52,240
time selected for

1451
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:55,680
um and uh in a positive in a positive

1452
00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:58,880
sense so anyway we we have these these

1453
00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:00,960
groups and the reason we were doing this

1454
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:03,280
is we wanted

1455
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:06,480
to at least as i've been framing it

1456
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:07,680
you know

1457
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:10,079
if so-called experiences have these

1458
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:12,240
experiences

1459
00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:14,640
do their brains look normal

1460
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:16,319
do their brains look more like

1461
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:18,000
schizophrenics

1462
00:53:21,670 --> 00:53:19,520
or do their brains look more like

1463
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:21,680
autistics because one of the things that

1464
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:24,960
you as a skeptic or as a doctor might do

1465
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:26,160
is

1466
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:29,680
if i say you know if you kurt you know

1467
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:31,359
repeatedly say there's somebody typing

1468
00:53:36,309 --> 00:53:33,440
through my fingers

1469
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:36,319
um the doctor you know the you're a

1470
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:38,720
psychiatrist interviewing you would want

1471
00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:40,480
to say you know whether or not this

1472
00:53:43,589 --> 00:53:41,920
person is showing signs of some sort of

1473
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:43,599
dissociative disorder

1474
00:53:46,950 --> 00:53:44,880
well

1475
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:46,960
we would like someday to be able to look

1476
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:48,640
in a person's brain

1477
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:50,800
from a purely pathology standpoint and

1478
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:55,040
say with an mri ah their brain structure

1479
00:53:59,349 --> 00:53:57,359
has elements of

1480
00:54:03,430 --> 00:53:59,359
schizophrenia

1481
00:54:07,349 --> 00:54:03,440
or my child we is not talking as much as

1482
00:54:09,910 --> 00:54:07,359
they think we think he might be autistic

1483
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:09,920
so you get an mri done and you say oh

1484
00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:12,000
yes they do actually have a brain

1485
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:14,240
structure which is consistent with an

1486
00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:16,000
autistic

1487
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:17,599
right so

1488
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:18,800
you know

1489
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:20,720
i want to exclude that class from the

1490
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:22,480
people who are experienced no i i i

1491
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:24,960
don't i don't want to exclude them but i

1492
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:27,520
want to i mean it it would be nice to

1493
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:30,800
know if experiencers fall on

1494
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:31,599
that

1495
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:32,640
spectrum

1496
00:54:41,589 --> 00:54:38,559
so our schizophrenic somehow opposite to

1497
00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:41,599
autistics no no no no uh

1498
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:43,599
good question as i said it i realized it

1499
00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:44,480
was

1500
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:48,880
normal and autistics

1501
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:50,640
and then there's a spectrum between

1502
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:54,240
normal and schizophrenics in terms of

1503
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:55,680
behaviors

1504
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:57,440
right and so

1505
00:55:01,510 --> 00:54:59,440
from a materialist standpoint you like

1506
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:01,520
you people like to somehow think is that

1507
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:03,920
there's going to be a brain structure

1508
00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:05,359
which is

1509
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:07,920
correlated with this if not even a brain

1510
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:09,920
structure let's say just a metabolism of

1511
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:11,280
how the brain operates i mean you could

1512
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:13,680
have i can have a normal brain and then

1513
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:15,599
something can go wrong with my with my

1514
00:55:18,789 --> 00:55:17,760
metabolism and that could that could

1515
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:18,799
mimic

1516
00:55:23,829 --> 00:55:21,520
uh a pathology that might be

1517
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:23,839
um that might be tissue based so there's

1518
00:55:27,150 --> 00:55:25,920
tissue based mythologies and then

1519
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:27,160
there's and then there's

1520
00:55:30,549 --> 00:55:29,599
metabolism-based pathologies

1521
00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:30,559
right

1522
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:31,839
you know i mean so you just think about

1523
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:33,599
it like this like your kidney a person

1524
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:36,480
could be born with a kidney that is for

1525
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:38,000
whatever reason

1526
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:39,680
uh you know

1527
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:41,280
messed up right just not formed

1528
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:42,720
correctly

1529
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:44,160
um and then they won't have a kidney

1530
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:46,160
function right at least one of the two

1531
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:48,400
will not be functional correctly

1532
00:55:52,230 --> 00:55:50,400
and then later on in life though you

1533
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:52,240
could be a normal individual

1534
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:55,599
two perfectly functioning kidneys and

1535
00:55:58,549 --> 00:55:57,359
you know you eat

1536
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:58,559
some

1537
00:56:02,870 --> 00:56:00,240
mushroom you shouldn't have eaten

1538
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:02,880
you know made its way into your soup and

1539
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:05,040
you have you know it kills off part of

1540
00:56:09,589 --> 00:56:07,520
your kidney your metabolism problem

1541
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:09,599
right so but it could mimic the same

1542
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:11,040
thing at the end

1543
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:11,760
at

1544
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:13,680
the end of the day your kidney's not

1545
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:15,359
functioning

1546
00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:17,280
right and so this you know the brain is

1547
00:56:20,549 --> 00:56:19,119
much more complex than that

1548
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:20,559
but um

1549
00:56:25,510 --> 00:56:21,599
so

1550
00:56:27,589 --> 00:56:25,520
reference sets

1551
00:56:28,870 --> 00:56:27,599
so that when we ever and i'm not sure

1552
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:28,880
we're ever going to do it in the in the

1553
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:30,720
short term when we get around to doing

1554
00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:33,359
this with experiencers or frankly

1555
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:35,200
different classes of

1556
00:56:38,549 --> 00:56:37,200
individuals with

1557
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:38,559
different kinds of

1558
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:40,480
extraordinary mental abilities and by

1559
00:56:44,789 --> 00:56:43,040
this i mean things like math or

1560
00:56:47,109 --> 00:56:44,799
you know uh

1561
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:47,119
music or etc

1562
00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:48,960
you know are there brain structures

1563
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:51,839
associated with these you know high

1564
00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:53,839
functioning individuals

1565
00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:55,760
that you can call out

1566
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:57,280
because that tells us

1567
00:57:00,789 --> 00:56:59,040
it's not because you want to know what

1568
00:57:01,910 --> 00:57:00,799
your child is the day they're born are

1569
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:01,920
they going to be a musician or a

1570
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:03,359
mathematician

1571
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:04,480
um

1572
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:05,440
but

1573
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:07,839
you by doing this begin to learn about

1574
00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:10,079
how the brain is actually functioning

1575
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:11,280
so that

1576
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:14,160
with these now what are public data sets

1577
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:16,160
that you can download off the net that

1578
00:57:19,589 --> 00:57:17,440
have been vetted

1579
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:19,599
people have been classified according to

1580
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:22,079
their intellectual capabilities etc now

1581
00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:24,720
you can begin to show that certain and

1582
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:26,000
this is one of the papers that we're

1583
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:27,359
just submitting

1584
00:57:32,789 --> 00:57:30,079
um that certain brain structure

1585
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:32,799
organization sizes and tracts between

1586
00:57:36,549 --> 00:57:34,240
them are

1587
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:36,559
appear to be correlated with certain

1588
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:38,880
kinds of intelligence or certain kinds

1589
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:40,000
of uh

1590
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:41,280
abilities

1591
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:42,240
um

1592
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:43,440
and you know we're not the only ones

1593
00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:45,680
doing it by not by far

1594
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:48,240
but um i haven't seen many papers yet

1595
00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:49,760
that are taking it the same approach

1596
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:51,599
that we are with these automated

1597
00:57:56,470 --> 00:57:54,960
um segmentations but you know it's so

1598
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:56,480
easy to do

1599
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:58,160
uh that i expect there to be an

1600
00:58:02,390 --> 00:58:01,440
explosion of research in this area

1601
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:02,400
um

1602
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:03,839
because it's going to tell us something

1603
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:05,920
about how the brain is operating so to

1604
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:07,920
circle back to your diana pasulka

1605
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:10,319
question about the drug

1606
00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:12,000
if there is

1607
00:58:18,150 --> 00:58:14,960
a tract between one part of a brain and

1608
00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:18,160
another that seems to be important for a

1609
00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:20,240
certain function you know with

1610
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:23,440
enough analysis maybe there's a way we

1611
00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:25,920
can target that area

1612
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:28,960
to compensate for either a lack

1613
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:30,240
or if you

1614
00:58:34,309 --> 00:58:32,799
find out that one part of the brain

1615
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:34,319
is uh

1616
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:36,720
is overworking itself which is

1617
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:38,640
suppressing some other

1618
00:58:43,430 --> 00:58:41,760
function or maybe you turn this one off

1619
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:43,440
so you either turn one on or you turn

1620
00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:44,480
one off

1621
00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:46,000
and you can either do it with a drug

1622
00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:48,400
drugs are harder to do because brain

1623
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:50,720
chemistry as you probably know is is

1624
00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:52,000
really messy

1625
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:53,440
and uh you know a lot of the

1626
00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:55,599
antidepressants that people use etc you

1627
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:57,920
have to sort of try one out and they

1628
00:59:02,789 --> 00:58:59,920
does this one work does that one work

1629
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:02,799
um but maybe transcranial stimulation

1630
00:59:06,309 --> 00:59:04,960
is something that might you know be

1631
00:59:09,670 --> 00:59:06,319
effective

1632
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:09,680
uh to you know enhance certain abilities

1633
00:59:16,230 --> 00:59:12,720
or to turn off certain other areas

1634
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:16,240
i mean another example is um

1635
00:59:20,789 --> 00:59:18,400
you know what's called the default mode

1636
00:59:22,870 --> 00:59:20,799
network in your brain but the default

1637
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:22,880
mode is sort of the the organizing

1638
00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:25,280
principle that keeps all of the other

1639
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:28,400
parts of the brain uh playing together

1640
00:59:31,349 --> 00:59:29,200
well

1641
00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:31,359
and it sits somewhere close to so-called

1642
00:59:35,829 --> 00:59:32,960
executive function

1643
00:59:37,990 --> 00:59:35,839
um well drugs like psychedelics

1644
00:59:40,230 --> 00:59:38,000
it looks like turn off the default mode

1645
00:59:41,270 --> 00:59:40,240
network and allow all of the other parts

1646
00:59:42,069 --> 00:59:41,280
of the brain

1647
00:59:46,710 --> 00:59:42,079
to

1648
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:46,720
having a discussion

1649
00:59:49,750 --> 00:59:47,520
so

1650
00:59:51,510 --> 00:59:49,760
you know maybe the default node

1651
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:51,520
mode network

1652
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:54,079
turn off was what happened when you were

1653
00:59:56,950 --> 00:59:55,440
typing

1654
00:59:58,789 --> 00:59:56,960
your fingers that somehow because you

1655
01:00:00,549 --> 00:59:58,799
were so into what you were doing the

1656
01:00:01,670 --> 01:00:00,559
default node turned off and other parts

1657
01:00:02,470 --> 01:00:01,680
of your brain

1658
01:00:05,270 --> 01:00:02,480
that

1659
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:05,280
you know let's say have some ass who

1660
01:00:09,270 --> 01:00:07,599
have who have access to

1661
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:09,280
your personality

1662
01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:12,160
told you i'm in control now

1663
01:00:15,829 --> 01:00:14,480
right and maybe when i woke up that

1664
01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:15,839
night in

1665
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:16,720
london

1666
01:00:21,190 --> 01:00:19,119
it was my default mode network was off

1667
01:00:23,670 --> 01:00:21,200
and some other part of my brain said i'm

1668
01:00:25,829 --> 01:00:23,680
gonna do this to you right or this is

1669
01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:25,839
you know so you you always have to keep

1670
01:00:29,589 --> 01:00:27,119
those kinds of things in the back of

1671
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:29,599
your mind as possible explanations and

1672
01:00:33,030 --> 01:00:31,440
not always think of it as an outside

1673
01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:33,040
agency

1674
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:36,480
that is imposing itself on you

1675
01:00:41,270 --> 01:00:38,640
standard psychiatry would like to

1676
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:41,280
keep everything in your head

1677
01:00:47,349 --> 01:00:43,920
and not think of outside agencies

1678
01:00:50,230 --> 01:00:47,359
um and uh you know and i think probably

1679
01:00:50,950 --> 01:00:50,240
99 of the time it is internal

1680
01:00:54,390 --> 01:00:50,960
but

1681
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:54,400
99 still leaves one percent

1682
01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:57,040
and uh external possibilities so you

1683
01:01:01,030 --> 01:00:58,400
know you just gotta

1684
01:01:02,309 --> 01:01:01,040
you just gotta keep it in mind

1685
01:01:05,270 --> 01:01:02,319
i mean i was

1686
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:05,280
i i i was i was i don't know why on

1687
01:01:09,190 --> 01:01:06,720
netflix or something i was watching the

1688
01:01:12,630 --> 01:01:09,200
other night some guy tyler henry he's a

1689
01:01:15,030 --> 01:01:12,640
medium you should go look him up uh he's

1690
01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:15,040
it's extraordinary what he what he does

1691
01:01:18,710 --> 01:01:17,359
i won't relay at all but i mean i sit

1692
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:18,720
there going where's this guy getting

1693
01:01:21,670 --> 01:01:20,160
this information he sits down across

1694
01:01:23,589 --> 01:01:21,680
from somebody and now he's telling them

1695
01:01:25,190 --> 01:01:23,599
about their life and somebody close to

1696
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:25,200
them who died and giving them

1697
01:01:28,470 --> 01:01:26,559
information that's clearly having an

1698
01:01:30,630 --> 01:01:28,480
emotional impact on them

1699
01:01:32,230 --> 01:01:30,640
and assuming it's not all a big hoax

1700
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:32,240
yeah not cold reading

1701
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:34,079
it's yeah it's a kind of a cold reading

1702
01:01:37,270 --> 01:01:36,400
yeah it is and

1703
01:01:38,390 --> 01:01:37,280
and

1704
01:01:39,670 --> 01:01:38,400
where is he getting this information

1705
01:01:41,190 --> 01:01:39,680
from

1706
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:41,200
right i mean it's it's

1707
01:01:45,670 --> 01:01:43,440
and he has a process and his process is

1708
01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:45,680
basically scribbling on a book

1709
01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:46,880
um

1710
01:01:51,109 --> 01:01:49,200
and it's almost as if by the scribbling

1711
01:01:54,069 --> 01:01:51,119
process he's

1712
01:01:56,470 --> 01:01:54,079
he's it's kind of a meditation he's like

1713
01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:56,480
he he's turning something off

1714
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:59,200
and that allows other things to other

1715
01:02:02,870 --> 01:02:00,720
information

1716
01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:02,880
for him to be able to access i would

1717
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:04,960
love

1718
01:02:10,069 --> 01:02:07,680
to get a hold of people like that

1719
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:10,079
uh get mris of their brains as they're

1720
01:02:13,510 --> 01:02:12,160
doing these things functional mris first

1721
01:02:14,710 --> 01:02:13,520
of all just to see what structure do

1722
01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:14,720
they have

1723
01:02:19,670 --> 01:02:17,280
you know do they do do mediums let's say

1724
01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:19,680
or claimed mediums has that ever been

1725
01:02:24,069 --> 01:02:22,240
done as far as you know no of course no

1726
01:02:25,589 --> 01:02:24,079
never why do you think that is because

1727
01:02:27,430 --> 01:02:25,599
that as you say it sounds like an

1728
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:27,440
extremely interesting study that i'm

1729
01:02:31,510 --> 01:02:29,280
wondering why has that not um i mean i

1730
01:02:33,029 --> 01:02:31,520
think people no i know of a guy in la in

1731
01:02:34,470 --> 01:02:33,039
fact i spoke to them

1732
01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:34,480
who funds

1733
01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:35,920
who's funding some of this kind of

1734
01:02:40,710 --> 01:02:37,680
research

1735
01:02:43,829 --> 01:02:40,720
but again nobody has had the automated

1736
01:02:44,789 --> 01:02:43,839
segmentation algorithms to do this and

1737
01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:44,799
again it's not because i don't think

1738
01:02:48,710 --> 01:02:46,799
people wanted to do it it's just because

1739
01:02:50,630 --> 01:02:48,720
again the compute power wasn't there

1740
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:50,640
before i mean the kind of stuff that i

1741
01:02:57,829 --> 01:02:54,240
do only in 2d couldn't be done before if

1742
01:02:59,910 --> 01:02:57,839
with uh my pathology cancer research

1743
01:03:01,349 --> 01:02:59,920
because the compute power wasn't there

1744
01:03:02,789 --> 01:03:01,359
first of all we couldn't get the data

1745
01:03:04,630 --> 01:03:02,799
and second even if we had the data we

1746
01:03:07,190 --> 01:03:04,640
wouldn't be able to do anything with it

1747
01:03:08,390 --> 01:03:07,200
um but now we have the compute power to

1748
01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:08,400
to do it so

1749
01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:11,760
uh that opens new doors

1750
01:03:17,430 --> 01:03:14,240
and again you you should expect a huge

1751
01:03:19,270 --> 01:03:17,440
flow but but before one runs to try to

1752
01:03:21,109 --> 01:03:19,280
hit the ball out of the park

1753
01:03:23,270 --> 01:03:21,119
you have to do the ground work and

1754
01:03:25,349 --> 01:03:23,280
saying what is normal

1755
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:25,359
right what's the normal range of human

1756
01:03:34,230 --> 01:03:30,470
shapes and even amongst normals or let's

1757
01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:34,240
say non-uh non-mediums non well

1758
01:03:39,829 --> 01:03:36,960
non-classified as schizophrenic or

1759
01:03:43,750 --> 01:03:39,839
autistic or you know name 10 other

1760
01:03:45,750 --> 01:03:43,760
mental mental health issues

1761
01:03:47,270 --> 01:03:45,760
you know

1762
01:03:49,190 --> 01:03:47,280
what is

1763
01:03:50,789 --> 01:03:49,200
you know you you want to find out what

1764
01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:50,799
the main classes

1765
01:03:53,270 --> 01:03:51,920
of

1766
01:03:54,710 --> 01:03:53,280
pathologies

1767
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:54,720
again i'm not i

1768
01:03:58,710 --> 01:03:56,640
again not using the term saying people

1769
01:03:59,670 --> 01:03:58,720
have a problem with this

1770
01:04:02,230 --> 01:03:59,680
um

1771
01:04:04,390 --> 01:04:02,240
before you start running into doing

1772
01:04:06,230 --> 01:04:04,400
mediums

1773
01:04:07,510 --> 01:04:06,240
right you can do it but then you have no

1774
01:04:08,710 --> 01:04:07,520
reference set

1775
01:04:11,029 --> 01:04:08,720
nobody can

1776
01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:11,039
nobody to compare them against to say oh

1777
01:04:16,150 --> 01:04:13,520
it's like this or it's like that or it

1778
01:04:17,910 --> 01:04:16,160
it it is this and this is different

1779
01:04:20,069 --> 01:04:17,920
than normal

1780
01:04:22,870 --> 01:04:20,079
so you know that leg work that we're

1781
01:04:24,789 --> 01:04:22,880
doing now is setting up for you know a

1782
01:04:26,549 --> 01:04:24,799
few years from now when both monies will

1783
01:04:28,710 --> 01:04:26,559
be available i think

1784
01:04:33,029 --> 01:04:28,720
even if i have to fund it myself

1785
01:04:35,109 --> 01:04:33,039
um or uh or you know government funding

1786
01:04:36,549 --> 01:04:35,119
but sometimes you will can get

1787
01:04:37,670 --> 01:04:36,559
government funding

1788
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:37,680
by

1789
01:04:43,029 --> 01:04:40,559
doing something which is

1790
01:04:44,710 --> 01:04:43,039
let's say normal and mainstream

1791
01:04:47,270 --> 01:04:44,720
mental health studies

1792
01:04:49,990 --> 01:04:47,280
and then once you've done that

1793
01:04:51,910 --> 01:04:50,000
then it's possible to say mediums

1794
01:04:55,029 --> 01:04:51,920
i'm going to do people who have let's

1795
01:04:56,870 --> 01:04:55,039
say intuition and you call it intuition

1796
01:04:59,589 --> 01:04:56,880
right you know a study on intuition and

1797
01:05:00,950 --> 01:04:59,599
then amongst the cohort you you do this

1798
01:05:03,510 --> 01:05:00,960
it's not that you're

1799
01:05:06,230 --> 01:05:03,520
inappropriate

1800
01:05:07,510 --> 01:05:06,240
you're just defining it in a way frankly

1801
01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:07,520
that normal

1802
01:05:10,870 --> 01:05:09,039
scientists would

1803
01:05:12,309 --> 01:05:10,880
they would say oh these mediums are

1804
01:05:14,069 --> 01:05:12,319
picking up pumps they're intuiting

1805
01:05:15,190 --> 01:05:14,079
something from the environment

1806
01:05:16,390 --> 01:05:15,200
fine

1807
01:05:18,630 --> 01:05:16,400
maybe they are

1808
01:05:19,589 --> 01:05:18,640
right you know uh

1809
01:05:21,109 --> 01:05:19,599
then

1810
01:05:23,510 --> 01:05:21,119
let's figure out what it is that's

1811
01:05:25,190 --> 01:05:23,520
special about their ability to do it it

1812
01:05:26,309 --> 01:05:25,200
might have no paranormal aspect to it

1813
01:05:27,750 --> 01:05:26,319
whatsoever

1814
01:05:28,870 --> 01:05:27,760
i still would want to know how this guy

1815
01:05:30,549 --> 01:05:28,880
does it

1816
01:05:32,950 --> 01:05:30,559
is this to be taken as a call for people

1817
01:05:36,309 --> 01:05:32,960
who are mediums to email you or no no my

1818
01:05:39,029 --> 01:05:36,319
god no no i get enough as it is i'm at

1819
01:05:42,150 --> 01:05:39,990
yes

1820
01:05:45,190 --> 01:05:42,160
but at some point short in the short

1821
01:05:46,630 --> 01:05:45,200
term no i'm not ready for it

1822
01:05:49,349 --> 01:05:46,640
at all and i don't even know that i'm

1823
01:05:51,670 --> 01:05:49,359
the right person to do it there's i have

1824
01:05:53,750 --> 01:05:51,680
been contacted by a few scientists who

1825
01:05:57,270 --> 01:05:53,760
want to do it and then they would want

1826
01:06:00,390 --> 01:05:57,280
access to these databases at that point

1827
01:06:02,069 --> 01:06:00,400
but no i have enough to do

1828
01:06:03,829 --> 01:06:02,079
earlier you mentioned havana syndrome

1829
01:06:05,109 --> 01:06:03,839
and when i looked into it i found it to

1830
01:06:07,670 --> 01:06:05,119
be terribly murky i don't know what

1831
01:06:09,190 --> 01:06:07,680
havana syndrome is and so when you're

1832
01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:09,200
this is in reference to my research on

1833
01:06:13,349 --> 01:06:11,760
you with regard to skinwalker and then

1834
01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:13,359
you said that well we can classify some

1835
01:06:16,470 --> 01:06:14,880
people savannah syndrome i want to know

1836
01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:16,480
firstly what is venice syndrome how do

1837
01:06:21,349 --> 01:06:19,200
are you able to classify them as that it

1838
01:06:22,549 --> 01:06:21,359
seems like a cloudy definition and then

1839
01:06:25,029 --> 01:06:22,559
also

1840
01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:25,039
you concluded that some of if not all of

1841
01:06:28,710 --> 01:06:26,400
what was happening at skinwalker from

1842
01:06:30,069 --> 01:06:28,720
what you've studied with state actors so

1843
01:06:31,190 --> 01:06:30,079
i don't know what is meant by state

1844
01:06:32,230 --> 01:06:31,200
actors and how you came to that

1845
01:06:36,630 --> 01:06:32,240
conclusion so there are a couple of

1846
01:06:38,069 --> 01:06:36,640
questions right there yeah so um okay so

1847
01:06:40,549 --> 01:06:38,079
um

1848
01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:40,559
right so this all started of course with

1849
01:06:44,789 --> 01:06:42,240
uh with kit

1850
01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:44,799
uh and you know there's he's actually

1851
01:06:51,270 --> 01:06:48,240
given a uh an interview i think it was

1852
01:06:54,390 --> 01:06:51,280
on the debrief or somewhere recently uh

1853
01:06:55,910 --> 01:06:54,400
that's very in-depth about um

1854
01:06:58,069 --> 01:06:55,920
sort of the history of the of the

1855
01:06:59,109 --> 01:06:58,079
project and the timeline

1856
01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:59,119
um

1857
01:07:02,390 --> 01:07:00,400
so

1858
01:07:03,910 --> 01:07:02,400
when we first were looking at these

1859
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:03,920
patients that

1860
01:07:09,270 --> 01:07:08,000
we got this basically a bucket of cases

1861
01:07:10,470 --> 01:07:09,280
um

1862
01:07:13,750 --> 01:07:10,480
from the

1863
01:07:15,349 --> 01:07:13,760
basically the defense uh intelligence

1864
01:07:18,150 --> 01:07:15,359
axis

1865
01:07:19,829 --> 01:07:18,160
that the doctors didn't know what to do

1866
01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:19,839
with people who were

1867
01:07:23,029 --> 01:07:21,680
in distress nobody would nobody could

1868
01:07:25,430 --> 01:07:23,039
figure out what it is that was going

1869
01:07:29,109 --> 01:07:25,440
wrong with them and so kit at some point

1870
01:07:29,910 --> 01:07:29,119
was called in on on some of them um

1871
01:07:33,990 --> 01:07:29,920
so

1872
01:07:36,630 --> 01:07:34,000
are murky

1873
01:07:39,349 --> 01:07:36,640
and is actually hidden

1874
01:07:42,549 --> 01:07:39,359
in a way in the term syndrome

1875
01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:42,559
a a syndrome is usually a

1876
01:07:46,390 --> 01:07:45,359
medical terminology for something which

1877
01:07:51,829 --> 01:07:46,400
has

1878
01:07:55,029 --> 01:07:51,839
but disparate symptomologies

1879
01:07:57,990 --> 01:07:55,039
so usually it's like there's 20 things

1880
01:08:00,710 --> 01:07:58,000
that can fall within this classification

1881
01:08:02,630 --> 01:08:00,720
system you're hearing buzzing headaches

1882
01:08:04,710 --> 01:08:02,640
this and that

1883
01:08:07,109 --> 01:08:04,720
and you don't have to have all of them

1884
01:08:09,270 --> 01:08:07,119
you just have to have enough of them

1885
01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:09,280
and you say you've got this syndrome we

1886
01:08:13,430 --> 01:08:11,359
don't but usually what people are

1887
01:08:16,789 --> 01:08:13,440
thinking when they say syndrome is that

1888
01:08:19,110 --> 01:08:16,799
there's probably multiple different

1889
01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:19,120
uh sub pathologies within them each of

1890
01:08:24,789 --> 01:08:22,080
which is a distinct and unique group so

1891
01:08:26,070 --> 01:08:24,799
for instance a hundred years ago or even

1892
01:08:27,910 --> 01:08:26,080
80 years ago

1893
01:08:30,309 --> 01:08:27,920
you could have cancer

1894
01:08:31,110 --> 01:08:30,319
and cancer broadly

1895
01:08:35,349 --> 01:08:31,120
is

1896
01:08:37,189 --> 01:08:35,359
has about you know 200 different

1897
01:08:39,510 --> 01:08:37,199
diseases underneath it

1898
01:08:41,030 --> 01:08:39,520
all right blood cancer you know calling

1899
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:41,040
et cetera et cetera

1900
01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:41,759
so

1901
01:08:48,070 --> 01:08:45,359
um we actually in the by around 2015

1902
01:08:50,149 --> 01:08:48,080
2016 we're calling it what we called at

1903
01:08:52,709 --> 01:08:50,159
the time or i should say kit uh

1904
01:08:55,510 --> 01:08:52,719
interference syndrome

1905
01:08:59,829 --> 01:08:55,520
that people were being interfered with

1906
01:09:01,269 --> 01:08:59,839
uh and here were the range of

1907
01:09:02,309 --> 01:09:01,279
things that were

1908
01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:02,319
happening

1909
01:09:04,229 --> 01:09:03,440
to them

1910
01:09:07,510 --> 01:09:04,239
uh

1911
01:09:09,749 --> 01:09:07,520
and so what as a doctor you do

1912
01:09:11,910 --> 01:09:09,759
you basically you start to

1913
01:09:13,189 --> 01:09:11,920
determine what the individual symptoms

1914
01:09:17,349 --> 01:09:13,199
are

1915
01:09:18,870 --> 01:09:17,359
matched to definitions

1916
01:09:21,110 --> 01:09:18,880
in what's the best way to do it is

1917
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:21,120
called the icd codes

1918
01:09:27,269 --> 01:09:23,440
right and so um

1919
01:09:29,110 --> 01:09:27,279
the icd codes are classification

1920
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:29,120
system of diseases

1921
01:09:34,309 --> 01:09:31,440
and related health problems right so you

1922
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:34,319
have you have this kind of a skin uh

1923
01:09:38,870 --> 01:09:37,040
blistering uh it's you know and it has

1924
01:09:40,870 --> 01:09:38,880
these you know it has infiltration of

1925
01:09:42,229 --> 01:09:40,880
macrophages and this and this it's icd

1926
01:09:44,309 --> 01:09:42,239
code x

1927
01:09:47,110 --> 01:09:44,319
and so what you what he does is he he

1928
01:09:49,430 --> 01:09:47,120
takes the the the verbal testimony or

1929
01:09:53,749 --> 01:09:49,440
his observations of the patient

1930
01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:53,759
and you know writes down these icd codes

1931
01:09:56,790 --> 01:09:55,440
and it's a way of just classifying and

1932
01:09:59,110 --> 01:09:56,800
knowing that you're talking about apples

1933
01:10:01,350 --> 01:09:59,120
to apples oranges to oranges

1934
01:10:04,790 --> 01:10:01,360
kind of a thing

1935
01:10:07,830 --> 01:10:04,800
and then right around 2018 or so the

1936
01:10:09,189 --> 01:10:07,840
so-called havana cases were coming up

1937
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:09,199
which were

1938
01:10:14,390 --> 01:10:11,760
which havana cuba specifically some of

1939
01:10:17,750 --> 01:10:14,400
the diplomatic personnel were having

1940
01:10:19,030 --> 01:10:17,760
these buzzing sounds getting sick

1941
01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:19,040
headaches

1942
01:10:22,070 --> 01:10:20,320
etc

1943
01:10:25,189 --> 01:10:22,080
and uh

1944
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:25,199
and that kind of went public and then

1945
01:10:31,030 --> 01:10:28,800
kit got a hold of some of the case files

1946
01:10:33,830 --> 01:10:31,040
related to to these some of these events

1947
01:10:36,070 --> 01:10:33,840
and realized that the the when he

1948
01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:36,080
matched the icd codes

1949
01:10:43,189 --> 01:10:39,280
of the havana syndrome they matched or

1950
01:10:45,030 --> 01:10:43,199
overlapped with a lot of our cases

1951
01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:45,040
right um

1952
01:10:48,790 --> 01:10:47,120
and then uh

1953
01:10:50,870 --> 01:10:48,800
after that

1954
01:10:53,590 --> 01:10:50,880
um i'm gonna put you uh

1955
01:10:59,110 --> 01:10:53,600
a thing here somebody actually put it in

1956
01:11:00,550 --> 01:10:59,120
twitter somewhere to remind me of it um

1957
01:11:01,750 --> 01:11:00,560
a uh

1958
01:11:04,149 --> 01:11:01,760
a science

1959
01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:04,159
group the so-called jasons which are a

1960
01:11:08,790 --> 01:11:06,640
group of you know scientists who the

1961
01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:08,800
government calls upon i'm not part of

1962
01:11:13,189 --> 01:11:10,000
the jason's

1963
01:11:14,870 --> 01:11:13,199
uh to um help them

1964
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:14,880
uh understand

1965
01:11:17,189 --> 01:11:15,920
the

1966
01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:17,199
um

1967
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:18,719
you know some event that occurs and

1968
01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:20,880
write white papers and things like that

1969
01:11:24,709 --> 01:11:23,120
uh they were brought in to basically do

1970
01:11:30,070 --> 01:11:24,719
an assessment

1971
01:11:30,950 --> 01:11:30,080
uh of this and it became um

1972
01:11:32,870 --> 01:11:30,960
uh

1973
01:11:35,430 --> 01:11:32,880
obvious that

1974
01:11:37,750 --> 01:11:35,440
these cases were

1975
01:11:38,830 --> 01:11:37,760
probably

1976
01:11:40,870 --> 01:11:38,840
driven

1977
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:40,880
by some

1978
01:11:45,430 --> 01:11:43,440
i use the term state actor some people

1979
01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:45,440
got bent out of shape because i used

1980
01:11:48,709 --> 01:11:47,840
that term i just meant what yeah what

1981
01:11:50,790 --> 01:11:48,719
does it mean

1982
01:11:53,030 --> 01:11:50,800
it basically means you know

1983
01:11:55,110 --> 01:11:53,040
somebody who is an agent of let's say

1984
01:11:57,270 --> 01:11:55,120
russia or china or something like that

1985
01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:57,280
or a rogue element within our own

1986
01:12:03,189 --> 01:12:00,480
government or frankly you know i mean

1987
01:12:04,870 --> 01:12:03,199
state actor implies some sort of uh

1988
01:12:06,830 --> 01:12:04,880
you know funded by

1989
01:12:08,870 --> 01:12:06,840
uh a

1990
01:12:11,189 --> 01:12:08,880
government um

1991
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:11,199
but it could just as easily be

1992
01:12:13,990 --> 01:12:12,480
you know

1993
01:12:16,870 --> 01:12:14,000
terrorist groups

1994
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:16,880
who gained acts who gained access to

1995
01:12:19,830 --> 01:12:17,760
um

1996
01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:19,840
you know some of these technologies that

1997
01:12:22,390 --> 01:12:21,440
could cause these things and if you look

1998
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:22,400
at that

1999
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:24,719
pdf that i just sent you there's

2000
01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:27,120
uh all kinds of different approaches

2001
01:12:31,990 --> 01:12:29,920
acoustic attacks electromagnetic attacks

2002
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:32,000
uh microwaves i'll include a link to

2003
01:12:39,669 --> 01:12:35,040
that in the description as well yeah um

2004
01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:39,679
and uh so it's it's not it's not beyond

2005
01:12:42,950 --> 01:12:42,000
the capability of anybody in the last 20

2006
01:12:45,030 --> 01:12:42,960
years

2007
01:12:46,390 --> 01:12:45,040
to have these kinds of

2008
01:12:48,390 --> 01:12:46,400
attack

2009
01:12:51,750 --> 01:12:48,400
uh

2010
01:12:53,270 --> 01:12:51,760
you know approaches vectors or whatever

2011
01:12:56,229 --> 01:12:53,280
um so

2012
01:12:59,189 --> 01:12:56,239
so when i say it's out of my hands

2013
01:13:01,510 --> 01:12:59,199
uh when it's it's it's that well these

2014
01:13:02,390 --> 01:13:01,520
are clearly falling under

2015
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:02,400
a

2016
01:13:14,950 --> 01:13:04,560
um

2017
01:13:18,149 --> 01:13:14,960
something which appears to be purely

2018
01:13:20,310 --> 01:13:18,159
human or terrestrial yeah with intention

2019
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:20,320
with intention and has nothing to do

2020
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:22,800
with uaps whatsoever now what's

2021
01:13:26,870 --> 01:13:24,719
interesting is and this is what whoever

2022
01:13:28,070 --> 01:13:26,880
it was who tweeted this

2023
01:13:29,510 --> 01:13:28,080
recently

2024
01:13:33,030 --> 01:13:29,520
um

2025
01:13:36,229 --> 01:13:33,040
to have to go in but they said about 10

2026
01:13:38,790 --> 01:13:36,239
to 15 of the cases uh that the jason's

2027
01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:38,800
had looked at could not be explained

2028
01:13:43,910 --> 01:13:41,760
under the rubric of havana syndrome and

2029
01:13:45,510 --> 01:13:43,920
were as a as of yet

2030
01:13:48,470 --> 01:13:45,520
um on

2031
01:13:50,870 --> 01:13:48,480
of indeterminate causation

2032
01:13:53,510 --> 01:13:50,880
that doesn't mean that they're uap

2033
01:13:55,270 --> 01:13:53,520
right it just means that again the the

2034
01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:55,280
broad bucket of

2035
01:13:58,070 --> 01:13:57,120
people with strange things happening to

2036
01:14:01,430 --> 01:13:58,080
them

2037
01:14:02,630 --> 01:14:01,440
uh didn't fall under that now

2038
01:14:04,070 --> 01:14:02,640
there's already people out there trying

2039
01:14:05,830 --> 01:14:04,080
to pick apart

2040
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:05,840
the things that lou has been talking

2041
01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:08,320
about with injury and the things that

2042
01:14:13,189 --> 01:14:11,040
kit talked about as injury actually i

2043
01:14:15,590 --> 01:14:13,199
actually spoke with lou about it um the

2044
01:14:17,510 --> 01:14:15,600
other day some of the cases that lou was

2045
01:14:21,350 --> 01:14:17,520
talking about are different

2046
01:14:24,070 --> 01:14:21,360
than the um ones that uh kid are talking

2047
01:14:26,830 --> 01:14:24,080
about so just because kit says

2048
01:14:29,270 --> 01:14:26,840
it's you know he's got them all figured

2049
01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:29,280
out um

2050
01:14:34,229 --> 01:14:32,159
and uh it doesn't mean that there aren't

2051
01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:34,239
other cases out there that lou is aware

2052
01:14:36,870 --> 01:14:35,040
of

2053
01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:36,880
that are different than the ones that

2054
01:14:40,950 --> 01:14:39,360
kit is that have a much more proximal

2055
01:14:43,110 --> 01:14:40,960
let's say

2056
01:14:45,110 --> 01:14:43,120
uap relationship

2057
01:14:46,790 --> 01:14:45,120
uh but even kit and i talk with him

2058
01:14:47,910 --> 01:14:46,800
about it uh

2059
01:14:50,390 --> 01:14:47,920
fairly

2060
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:50,400
frequently um

2061
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:52,560
is like well look i can explain it by

2062
01:14:57,990 --> 01:14:54,560
human technology

2063
01:15:00,149 --> 01:14:59,350
something else

2064
01:15:02,870 --> 01:15:00,159
right

2065
01:15:05,430 --> 01:15:02,880
but he's very careful in how he parses

2066
01:15:08,950 --> 01:15:05,440
his word i can explain it

2067
01:15:11,189 --> 01:15:08,960
doesn't say it was caused by

2068
01:15:12,870 --> 01:15:11,199
human technology you know at the end of

2069
01:15:13,990 --> 01:15:12,880
the day a burn is a burn whether it's

2070
01:15:15,830 --> 01:15:14,000
caused by

2071
01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:15,840
you know

2072
01:15:22,229 --> 01:15:18,800
an alien power generator or

2073
01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:22,239
you know the back end of a jet flame

2074
01:15:26,470 --> 01:15:24,480
right um so

2075
01:15:28,950 --> 01:15:26,480
you know he's just saying i don't need

2076
01:15:31,510 --> 01:15:28,960
the the fact that these injuries occur

2077
01:15:32,950 --> 01:15:31,520
does is not a smoking gun

2078
01:15:34,870 --> 01:15:32,960
for uap

2079
01:15:35,910 --> 01:15:34,880
so you know he's being a good scientist

2080
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:35,920
about it

2081
01:15:41,990 --> 01:15:39,520
but the the only thing that you have to

2082
01:15:44,390 --> 01:15:42,000
sort of walk away from with it is some

2083
01:15:46,630 --> 01:15:44,400
of the people say

2084
01:15:49,110 --> 01:15:46,640
that the proximal cause

2085
01:15:50,310 --> 01:15:49,120
was an object that showed up

2086
01:15:52,470 --> 01:15:50,320
it wasn't they were working in their

2087
01:15:53,590 --> 01:15:52,480
office at the you know at the havana you

2088
01:15:56,070 --> 01:15:53,600
know american

2089
01:15:57,430 --> 01:15:56,080
embassy and they got headaches you know

2090
01:15:58,950 --> 01:15:57,440
these were people who were in the field

2091
01:16:00,709 --> 01:15:58,960
who saw something and something happened

2092
01:16:02,550 --> 01:16:00,719
to them the cash laundromat case is

2093
01:16:03,590 --> 01:16:02,560
probably one of the best

2094
01:16:07,270 --> 01:16:03,600
in

2095
01:16:10,229 --> 01:16:07,280
i went through this recently released

2096
01:16:11,990 --> 01:16:10,239
dirt document from 2009 the dirt

2097
01:16:13,990 --> 01:16:12,000
document that i'm referencing is called

2098
01:16:16,550 --> 01:16:14,000
the defense intelligence reference

2099
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:16,560
document it's titled anomalous acute and

2100
01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:18,480
subacute field effects on human

2101
01:16:23,750 --> 01:16:20,800
biological tissues you can find a link

2102
01:16:25,510 --> 01:16:23,760
to it in the description

2103
01:16:28,310 --> 01:16:25,520
i went through this recently released

2104
01:16:30,070 --> 01:16:28,320
dirt document from 2009 i went through

2105
01:16:32,229 --> 01:16:30,080
it not with a fine-tooth comb with a

2106
01:16:34,310 --> 01:16:32,239
regular comb let's say

2107
01:16:35,590 --> 01:16:34,320
i skimmed it and i want to read a

2108
01:16:37,030 --> 01:16:35,600
passage to you and i want to know what

2109
01:16:38,870 --> 01:16:37,040
you make of it it said based on

2110
01:16:41,189 --> 01:16:38,880
historical cases humans have been found

2111
01:16:43,270 --> 01:16:41,199
to be injured from the exposures to

2112
01:16:45,350 --> 01:16:43,280
anomalous vehicles especially airborne

2113
01:16:47,110 --> 01:16:45,360
and when in relatively close proximity

2114
01:16:48,470 --> 01:16:47,120
and then i said okay especially airborne

2115
01:16:50,870 --> 01:16:48,480
which to me implies that there are some

2116
01:16:52,870 --> 01:16:50,880
non-airborne cases so what are these

2117
01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:52,880
non-airborne type vehicles and what's

2118
01:16:55,830 --> 01:16:54,159
the difference between the effects on

2119
01:16:59,110 --> 01:16:55,840
the witnesses from non-airborne versus

2120
01:17:02,149 --> 01:16:59,120
airborne uh i i don't know the specifics

2121
01:17:03,590 --> 01:17:02,159
that are being discussed there um you

2122
01:17:07,189 --> 01:17:03,600
know

2123
01:17:08,790 --> 01:17:07,199
thing is landed

2124
01:17:10,870 --> 01:17:08,800
i i don't know i don't know the

2125
01:17:11,910 --> 01:17:10,880
individual cases unfortunately

2126
01:17:13,430 --> 01:17:11,920
um

2127
01:17:15,590 --> 01:17:13,440
and uh

2128
01:17:19,350 --> 01:17:15,600
again it's um

2129
01:17:20,709 --> 01:17:19,360
i i can't pry them out of out of kit

2130
01:17:21,590 --> 01:17:20,719
for good reason

2131
01:17:23,350 --> 01:17:21,600
uh

2132
01:17:26,149 --> 01:17:23,360
for all the reasons that you you know he

2133
01:17:27,750 --> 01:17:26,159
just he just can't let these cases out

2134
01:17:30,149 --> 01:17:27,760
it doesn't have anything to do with uap

2135
01:17:30,950 --> 01:17:30,159
it's just i i i couldn't force this

2136
01:17:32,950 --> 01:17:30,960
stuff

2137
01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:32,960
i i can't force the information out of

2138
01:17:37,030 --> 01:17:35,040
some of the cancer patients from the

2139
01:17:38,870 --> 01:17:37,040
cancer patients that the doctors i work

2140
01:17:40,229 --> 01:17:38,880
with because they're rightly protecting

2141
01:17:42,390 --> 01:17:40,239
their privacy

2142
01:17:43,430 --> 01:17:42,400
you know people have great questions but

2143
01:17:47,110 --> 01:17:43,440
they think

2144
01:17:49,590 --> 01:17:47,120
we can just play

2145
01:17:51,910 --> 01:17:49,600
you know willy-nilly with people's

2146
01:17:53,750 --> 01:17:51,920
private data you can't and it is i'm not

2147
01:17:55,430 --> 01:17:53,760
hiding behind it i'm telling you as much

2148
01:17:57,189 --> 01:17:55,440
as what i know

2149
01:17:58,470 --> 01:17:57,199
but um at the end of the day the

2150
01:18:00,950 --> 01:17:58,480
specifics

2151
01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:00,960
uh will remain

2152
01:18:05,030 --> 01:18:03,360
you know uh out of reach

2153
01:18:07,430 --> 01:18:05,040
uh i think the

2154
01:18:12,390 --> 01:18:07,440
what people should take away from it is

2155
01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:12,400
that it's it's reason to attempt to fund

2156
01:18:16,550 --> 01:18:13,920
true research

2157
01:18:17,750 --> 01:18:16,560
what we would call prospective

2158
01:18:20,790 --> 01:18:17,760
research

2159
01:18:23,669 --> 01:18:20,800
uh prepare to collect the data

2160
01:18:27,350 --> 01:18:23,679
in you know in a going forward manner as

2161
01:18:30,870 --> 01:18:27,360
opposed to retrospective analysis of old

2162
01:18:32,709 --> 01:18:30,880
cases where you're you're trying to

2163
01:18:34,470 --> 01:18:32,719
piece together something that happened

2164
01:18:36,630 --> 01:18:34,480
in the distant past

2165
01:18:38,550 --> 01:18:36,640
you prefer perspective i prefer

2166
01:18:40,229 --> 01:18:38,560
perspective now retrospective i mean we

2167
01:18:42,550 --> 01:18:40,239
do retrospective studies all the time on

2168
01:18:45,110 --> 01:18:42,560
cancer you know we with a large enough

2169
01:18:47,590 --> 01:18:45,120
cohort of individuals of colorectal

2170
01:18:49,590 --> 01:18:47,600
cancer for instance we can use

2171
01:18:52,070 --> 01:18:49,600
you know biological analyses of the of

2172
01:18:53,350 --> 01:18:52,080
the tissue and find signatures of

2173
01:18:56,070 --> 01:18:53,360
outcome

2174
01:18:57,990 --> 01:18:56,080
right because retrospective we know what

2175
01:18:59,510 --> 01:18:58,000
the we know what the

2176
01:19:01,270 --> 01:18:59,520
disease was we know what the drug that

2177
01:19:03,270 --> 01:19:01,280
they were given and we know what the

2178
01:19:04,550 --> 01:19:03,280
outcome was for those patients and so

2179
01:19:06,550 --> 01:19:04,560
now what you're doing is you're looking

2180
01:19:07,990 --> 01:19:06,560
amongst the patients who had a good

2181
01:19:10,310 --> 01:19:08,000
outcome versus those that had a bad

2182
01:19:13,110 --> 01:19:10,320
outcome and saying was there a was there

2183
01:19:15,750 --> 01:19:13,120
a tissue structure that predicted the

2184
01:19:17,669 --> 01:19:15,760
good outcome or the bad outcome because

2185
01:19:20,229 --> 01:19:17,679
that tissue structure was going to be

2186
01:19:22,950 --> 01:19:20,239
susceptible to the drug

2187
01:19:25,669 --> 01:19:22,960
right to make the drug be more likely to

2188
01:19:27,750 --> 01:19:25,679
operate and work than not

2189
01:19:28,950 --> 01:19:27,760
and so that's just that's how these

2190
01:19:33,990 --> 01:19:28,960
prospective

2191
01:19:37,110 --> 01:19:34,000
setting up to do this and i'm going to

2192
01:19:39,830 --> 01:19:37,120
collect the data knowingly and i'm going

2193
01:19:42,149 --> 01:19:39,840
to create inclusion exclusion criteria

2194
01:19:44,149 --> 01:19:42,159
that bring the right kinds of patients

2195
01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:44,159
in and then i so i know i'm working with

2196
01:19:47,750 --> 01:19:46,080
apples and apples

2197
01:19:50,229 --> 01:19:47,760
right so

2198
01:19:51,990 --> 01:19:50,239
you work with retrospective usually to

2199
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:52,000
form hypotheses

2200
01:19:55,830 --> 01:19:54,000
interesting of what it is that you want

2201
01:19:57,830 --> 01:19:55,840
to do and then you prove the

2202
01:19:59,669 --> 01:19:57,840
retrospective

2203
01:20:02,830 --> 01:19:59,679
conclusions

2204
01:20:05,430 --> 01:20:02,840
uh with a prospective new study that's

2205
01:20:06,870 --> 01:20:05,440
tailored specifically to look at the

2206
01:20:08,229 --> 01:20:06,880
things that you think

2207
01:20:09,669 --> 01:20:08,239
are important

2208
01:20:11,189 --> 01:20:09,679
are there any retrospective or

2209
01:20:12,149 --> 01:20:11,199
prospective

2210
01:20:14,149 --> 01:20:12,159
studies

2211
01:20:16,470 --> 01:20:14,159
that you know about on psychedelics and

2212
01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:16,480
ufos or psychedelics potentially

2213
01:20:20,070 --> 01:20:18,480
summoning certain beings via some

2214
01:20:21,990 --> 01:20:20,080
meditative technique

2215
01:20:24,390 --> 01:20:22,000
so i again i was talking to this this

2216
01:20:26,149 --> 01:20:24,400
group in la that are doing they're

2217
01:20:29,030 --> 01:20:26,159
serious scientists

2218
01:20:32,550 --> 01:20:29,040
that have um a potentially wealthy

2219
01:20:34,229 --> 01:20:32,560
benefactor to to do just this i mean i'm

2220
01:20:36,229 --> 01:20:34,239
not doing the study with them they just

2221
01:20:39,270 --> 01:20:36,239
called me to get my perspective

2222
01:20:42,470 --> 01:20:39,280
on it um and so i hope that they

2223
01:20:44,149 --> 01:20:42,480
go ahead and and do it because

2224
01:20:46,229 --> 01:20:44,159
you know there's there's lots of people

2225
01:20:49,669 --> 01:20:46,239
willing to partake in those kinds of

2226
01:20:51,590 --> 01:20:49,679
studies uh there's frankly no nih

2227
01:20:53,510 --> 01:20:51,600
program that's ever going to be funded

2228
01:20:55,510 --> 01:20:53,520
in the near future

2229
01:20:57,030 --> 01:20:55,520
for for doing this kind of stuff for all

2230
01:20:58,709 --> 01:20:57,040
the reasons we know

2231
01:21:01,830 --> 01:20:58,719
um so

2232
01:21:03,110 --> 01:21:01,840
you know the uh a wealthy and interested

2233
01:21:04,390 --> 01:21:03,120
benefactor

2234
01:21:06,790 --> 01:21:04,400
um

2235
01:21:08,550 --> 01:21:06,800
is really the next best thing

2236
01:21:10,229 --> 01:21:08,560
for that

2237
01:21:12,310 --> 01:21:10,239
do psychedelics have any role to play in

2238
01:21:13,669 --> 01:21:12,320
the caudate putiman connection

2239
01:21:15,350 --> 01:21:13,679
and by the way is this a red herring

2240
01:21:16,950 --> 01:21:15,360
because earlier you mentioned well just

2241
01:21:18,629 --> 01:21:16,960
because it's overgrown here it could

2242
01:21:19,910 --> 01:21:18,639
imply a lesser growth somewhere else

2243
01:21:20,870 --> 01:21:19,920
yeah that could be what's actually worth

2244
01:21:22,629 --> 01:21:20,880
that could be

2245
01:21:24,870 --> 01:21:22,639
yeah i mean or it could limit i mean if

2246
01:21:26,709 --> 01:21:24,880
you're you know if you it's like a fuel

2247
01:21:27,510 --> 01:21:26,719
injector um

2248
01:21:29,030 --> 01:21:27,520
uh

2249
01:21:31,750 --> 01:21:29,040
you know if you if you limit the amount

2250
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:31,760
of fuel going into one part of the brain

2251
01:21:36,790 --> 01:21:34,400
uh then doesn't matter how good the

2252
01:21:39,590 --> 01:21:36,800
upstream process is if there's a

2253
01:21:41,110 --> 01:21:39,600
filter it never makes it you know the

2254
01:21:43,990 --> 01:21:41,120
rest of the way

2255
01:21:47,669 --> 01:21:44,000
um now

2256
01:21:51,590 --> 01:21:49,830
let's say dmt or these other

2257
01:21:53,750 --> 01:21:51,600
psychedelics operate and what they do to

2258
01:21:55,270 --> 01:21:53,760
the to the brain i i haven't seen

2259
01:21:57,669 --> 01:21:55,280
anything yet on it

2260
01:21:59,270 --> 01:21:57,679
um the problem is that these are of

2261
01:22:02,390 --> 01:21:59,280
course almost all

2262
01:22:04,870 --> 01:22:02,400
you know uh scheduled drugs meaning they

2263
01:22:07,030 --> 01:22:04,880
have limitations on their uses

2264
01:22:08,790 --> 01:22:07,040
and i do know of there's a guy at

2265
01:22:12,629 --> 01:22:08,800
stanford and there's a guy i think at

2266
01:22:14,229 --> 01:22:12,639
johns hopkins again i was asking my um

2267
01:22:17,750 --> 01:22:14,239
my uh

2268
01:22:19,750 --> 01:22:17,760
um psychiatry chair neighbor about this

2269
01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:19,760
for exactly the reasons you're asking

2270
01:22:22,870 --> 01:22:21,760
you know who's doing these studies right

2271
01:22:27,590 --> 01:22:22,880
now

2272
01:22:30,709 --> 01:22:27,600
um and uh the guy in la uh is actually a

2273
01:22:32,950 --> 01:22:30,719
very well-known doctor uh in this area

2274
01:22:34,229 --> 01:22:32,960
uh so he's associated with the program

2275
01:22:37,510 --> 01:22:34,239
with that program that they're trying to

2276
01:22:40,390 --> 01:22:37,520
run uh and um i think the brain

2277
01:22:43,110 --> 01:22:40,400
morphometry tools that we're building

2278
01:22:44,550 --> 01:22:43,120
will be useful to these individuals and

2279
01:22:46,870 --> 01:22:44,560
the data sets that we're producing will

2280
01:22:51,350 --> 01:22:46,880
be useful to these individuals

2281
01:22:53,350 --> 01:22:51,360
um and how dmt or you know psilocybin or

2282
01:22:55,669 --> 01:22:53,360
you know lsd uh

2283
01:22:58,629 --> 01:22:55,679
work into it i i don't know

2284
01:22:59,669 --> 01:22:58,639
um so but i'll be fascinated to see the

2285
01:23:01,590 --> 01:22:59,679
results

2286
01:23:04,390 --> 01:23:01,600
do you surmise that psychedelics are

2287
01:23:06,550 --> 01:23:04,400
acting as a removal of filters and

2288
01:23:09,350 --> 01:23:06,560
allowing in senses sorry and allowing in

2289
01:23:11,270 --> 01:23:09,360
sensory information absolutely yeah okay

2290
01:23:13,430 --> 01:23:11,280
and then it seems to me to be a

2291
01:23:15,590 --> 01:23:13,440
component of one generating it from

2292
01:23:17,110 --> 01:23:15,600
within one's own mind and then there is

2293
01:23:19,110 --> 01:23:17,120
possibly the other element of one

2294
01:23:20,470 --> 01:23:19,120
allowing in information that wouldn't

2295
01:23:23,350 --> 01:23:20,480
allow and then they have to mingle in

2296
01:23:25,590 --> 01:23:23,360
some manner right right yeah i mean i've

2297
01:23:26,790 --> 01:23:25,600
said this before that whatever people

2298
01:23:28,790 --> 01:23:26,800
think

2299
01:23:31,430 --> 01:23:28,800
electrosensory

2300
01:23:33,189 --> 01:23:31,440
uh extra sensory perception might be

2301
01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:33,199
um

2302
01:23:36,629 --> 01:23:35,280
whether it's real or not and

2303
01:23:39,510 --> 01:23:36,639
uh

2304
01:23:41,430 --> 01:23:39,520
it has to overlay

2305
01:23:42,790 --> 01:23:41,440
it eventually wherever the information

2306
01:23:45,669 --> 01:23:42,800
comes in

2307
01:23:47,350 --> 01:23:45,679
it has to overlay onto the normal or it

2308
01:23:50,229 --> 01:23:47,360
seems to be overlaying onto the normal

2309
01:23:53,510 --> 01:23:50,239
senses right people see things or they

2310
01:23:54,950 --> 01:23:53,520
hear things or they feel something emote

2311
01:23:58,550 --> 01:23:54,960
emotionally

2312
01:23:59,350 --> 01:23:58,560
um or some mixture of the of the above

2313
01:24:02,229 --> 01:23:59,360
so

2314
01:24:03,990 --> 01:24:02,239
you know you you have an internal screen

2315
01:24:06,070 --> 01:24:04,000
in your head you can close your eyes and

2316
01:24:08,629 --> 01:24:06,080
you can see things

2317
01:24:10,149 --> 01:24:08,639
when you dream you see it

2318
01:24:11,910 --> 01:24:10,159
in even more

2319
01:24:13,990 --> 01:24:11,920
stark clarity

2320
01:24:19,350 --> 01:24:14,000
so

2321
01:24:20,790 --> 01:24:19,360
it is

2322
01:24:22,709 --> 01:24:20,800
it somehow

2323
01:24:26,070 --> 01:24:22,719
sits on top of

2324
01:24:27,430 --> 01:24:26,080
the sensory system that you already have

2325
01:24:30,550 --> 01:24:27,440
and

2326
01:24:32,950 --> 01:24:30,560
overlays the information into that if

2327
01:24:35,510 --> 01:24:32,960
we are purely materialistic beings now

2328
01:24:36,870 --> 01:24:35,520
you can start asking questions about

2329
01:24:38,070 --> 01:24:36,880
consciousness

2330
01:24:39,830 --> 01:24:38,080
maybe it has nothing to do with the

2331
01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:39,840
brain at all but wherever our

2332
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:42,960
consciousness resides out there in

2333
01:24:48,149 --> 01:24:45,840
the 23rd dimension or whatever

2334
01:24:49,430 --> 01:24:48,159
um that all the information is going on

2335
01:24:51,590 --> 01:24:49,440
back there all the passage of

2336
01:24:52,550 --> 01:24:51,600
information is going on back there

2337
01:24:54,070 --> 01:24:52,560
and then

2338
01:24:56,709 --> 01:24:54,080
it's basically

2339
01:25:00,070 --> 01:24:56,719
moving it back down into the neurons

2340
01:25:02,229 --> 01:25:00,080
and so we might never find the antenna

2341
01:25:03,350 --> 01:25:02,239
because the antenna actually sits out

2342
01:25:05,110 --> 01:25:03,360
there

2343
01:25:07,590 --> 01:25:05,120
maybe the ant maybe consciousness

2344
01:25:08,950 --> 01:25:07,600
there's a great physicist i think i have

2345
01:25:10,470 --> 01:25:08,960
i should find his

2346
01:25:12,950 --> 01:25:10,480
stuart hammer off

2347
01:25:16,310 --> 01:25:12,960
no no it's a different he's a he's a

2348
01:25:19,669 --> 01:25:16,320
german physicist from the 1950s 60s or

2349
01:25:21,990 --> 01:25:19,679
so he came up with this physics of um

2350
01:25:23,910 --> 01:25:22,000
you know one of these grand theories of

2351
01:25:25,189 --> 01:25:23,920
of physics

2352
01:25:27,430 --> 01:25:25,199
and basically

2353
01:25:29,669 --> 01:25:27,440
uh he he's not well accepted by many

2354
01:25:31,350 --> 01:25:29,679
people but he's still followed by some

2355
01:25:33,510 --> 01:25:31,360
this notion that

2356
01:25:36,790 --> 01:25:33,520
that structures of physicality can be

2357
01:25:39,189 --> 01:25:36,800
created that he he basically said that

2358
01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:39,199
at a certain level of complexity of a

2359
01:25:42,790 --> 01:25:41,280
structure that's formed you can

2360
01:25:46,390 --> 01:25:42,800
instantiate

2361
01:25:50,070 --> 01:25:46,400
a um a self-perpetuating

2362
01:25:51,510 --> 01:25:50,080
object an entity that he said is

2363
01:25:53,750 --> 01:25:51,520
for all intents and purposes

2364
01:25:55,910 --> 01:25:53,760
consciousness or the soul

2365
01:25:58,709 --> 01:25:55,920
so that you know his

2366
01:26:00,870 --> 01:25:58,719
theory his hypothesis his premise was

2367
01:26:02,149 --> 01:26:00,880
basically that

2368
01:26:04,629 --> 01:26:02,159
evolution

2369
01:26:08,390 --> 01:26:04,639
and brain structure etc the purpose of

2370
01:26:10,870 --> 01:26:08,400
it was to basically create the flowering

2371
01:26:13,189 --> 01:26:10,880
of an object that he would call

2372
01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:13,199
consciousness that could then exist

2373
01:26:16,709 --> 01:26:14,639
independently

2374
01:26:19,270 --> 01:26:16,719
of the object that created it

2375
01:26:22,149 --> 01:26:19,280
it's sort of like was the that the the

2376
01:26:24,070 --> 01:26:22,159
body is a birth is a birth vessel for

2377
01:26:26,310 --> 01:26:24,080
the formation and he said at least i

2378
01:26:29,350 --> 01:26:26,320
mean there's lots of you know uh

2379
01:26:31,189 --> 01:26:29,360
spirituality uh you know religions and

2380
01:26:33,430 --> 01:26:31,199
things that talk about this notion from

2381
01:26:34,709 --> 01:26:33,440
a purely less a spiritual standpoint he

2382
01:26:36,390 --> 01:26:34,719
was trying to give

2383
01:26:39,030 --> 01:26:36,400
well he wasn't trying to

2384
01:26:41,669 --> 01:26:39,040
he was basically giving a physical

2385
01:26:44,149 --> 01:26:41,679
a physics definition of how it would

2386
01:26:45,830 --> 01:26:44,159
occur and he wasn't looking for it

2387
01:26:48,149 --> 01:26:45,840
he just as he was looking at the

2388
01:26:50,950 --> 01:26:48,159
equations said this is something that

2389
01:26:52,470 --> 01:26:50,960
falls out of it

2390
01:26:54,709 --> 01:26:52,480
interesting

2391
01:26:56,629 --> 01:26:54,719
while gary is going to get the book off

2392
01:26:58,229 --> 01:26:56,639
air i asked gary about the connection

2393
01:26:59,990 --> 01:26:58,239
between blood types and the phenomenon

2394
01:27:01,669 --> 01:27:00,000
and he said there is none as far as he

2395
01:27:03,590 --> 01:27:01,679
can tell we also weren't able to get

2396
01:27:05,830 --> 01:27:03,600
into meditation and the phenomenon on

2397
01:27:06,870 --> 01:27:05,840
air so we'll save it for next time if

2398
01:27:09,110 --> 01:27:06,880
you're interested in someone who

2399
01:27:10,790 --> 01:27:09,120
investigates uaps and is an experienced

2400
01:27:12,709 --> 01:27:10,800
buddhist meditator then i recommend you

2401
01:27:16,390 --> 01:27:12,719
visit christina gomez's youtube channel

2402
01:27:21,030 --> 01:27:19,350
yeah this is something that uh

2403
01:27:22,550 --> 01:27:21,040
jacques gave me

2404
01:27:24,229 --> 01:27:22,560
i just had lunch with him yesterday up

2405
01:27:27,110 --> 01:27:24,239
at his house and he's got these book

2406
01:27:29,590 --> 01:27:27,120
collections sitting around him and i

2407
01:27:31,030 --> 01:27:29,600
just get this lust in my heart for the

2408
01:27:33,830 --> 01:27:31,040
book collection

2409
01:27:37,750 --> 01:27:33,840
um so anyway uh

2410
01:27:42,550 --> 01:27:37,760
this is ludwig ludwiger

2411
01:27:43,990 --> 01:27:42,560
uh illa brand von ludwiger um and uh

2412
01:27:45,510 --> 01:27:44,000
i mean i don't understand the math i

2413
01:27:48,070 --> 01:27:45,520
don't even pretend to

2414
01:27:49,910 --> 01:27:48,080
uh but um

2415
01:27:51,270 --> 01:27:49,920
is he still alive as far as you know no

2416
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:51,280
i think he's dead

2417
01:27:53,270 --> 01:27:52,010
but um

2418
01:27:55,270 --> 01:27:53,280
[Music]

2419
01:27:56,790 --> 01:27:55,280
so basically this is like almost this is

2420
01:27:58,310 --> 01:27:56,800
the end and i don't well according to

2421
01:28:00,629 --> 01:27:58,320
his theory he's not dead but

2422
01:28:03,830 --> 01:28:00,639
yeah according to but basically this

2423
01:28:08,870 --> 01:28:03,840
structure that he draws here at the end

2424
01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:08,880
is uh a visual representation of um

2425
01:28:13,510 --> 01:28:11,040
of how when

2426
01:28:16,390 --> 01:28:13,520
a certain structure is created

2427
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:16,400
uh at the top of it

2428
01:28:22,310 --> 01:28:18,400
through these levels of organization

2429
01:28:23,830 --> 01:28:22,320
consciousness would form because of it

2430
01:28:24,790 --> 01:28:23,840
um and

2431
01:28:26,390 --> 01:28:24,800
uh

2432
01:28:28,470 --> 01:28:26,400
that then you could take away the

2433
01:28:29,510 --> 01:28:28,480
underlying structure

2434
01:28:31,350 --> 01:28:29,520
uh

2435
01:28:32,790 --> 01:28:31,360
formed it and then this would continue

2436
01:28:33,590 --> 01:28:32,800
to exist

2437
01:28:34,870 --> 01:28:33,600
okay

2438
01:28:36,870 --> 01:28:34,880
independently

2439
01:28:38,629 --> 01:28:36,880
um which is interesting the reason why i

2440
01:28:40,390 --> 01:28:38,639
like this and he didn't really talk

2441
01:28:42,709 --> 01:28:40,400
about this he talks about it in the

2442
01:28:46,629 --> 01:28:42,719
context of um

2443
01:28:49,669 --> 01:28:46,639
of uh of biology but

2444
01:28:51,590 --> 01:28:49,679
if it's right it means you could create

2445
01:28:54,229 --> 01:28:51,600
an artificial intelligence which was in

2446
01:28:57,510 --> 01:28:54,239
and of itself

2447
01:28:58,870 --> 01:28:57,520
would could become conscious

2448
01:28:59,750 --> 01:28:58,880
you know most

2449
01:29:02,390 --> 01:28:59,760
um

2450
01:29:04,229 --> 01:29:02,400
you know scientists working in ai never

2451
01:29:06,629 --> 01:29:04,239
think that we will have

2452
01:29:08,709 --> 01:29:06,639
the ability to create a conscious i mean

2453
01:29:12,229 --> 01:29:08,719
that anything that we create

2454
01:29:13,990 --> 01:29:12,239
uh that looks conscious is just a a darn

2455
01:29:14,790 --> 01:29:14,000
good simulation

2456
01:29:18,310 --> 01:29:14,800
of

2457
01:29:20,470 --> 01:29:18,320
test

2458
01:29:21,910 --> 01:29:20,480
but it would just be a darn good

2459
01:29:23,189 --> 01:29:21,920
simulation

2460
01:29:24,950 --> 01:29:23,199
uh

2461
01:29:26,310 --> 01:29:24,960
but it's not really conscious

2462
01:29:27,990 --> 01:29:26,320
um

2463
01:29:29,110 --> 01:29:28,000
so you know it so therefore it has no

2464
01:29:33,830 --> 01:29:29,120
rights

2465
01:29:35,830 --> 01:29:33,840
you know it's a big argument that's been

2466
01:29:37,430 --> 01:29:35,840
played out in science fiction for for

2467
01:29:39,669 --> 01:29:37,440
many years

2468
01:29:41,350 --> 01:29:39,679
what this guy is basically saying

2469
01:29:43,189 --> 01:29:41,360
and i don't know anything about the math

2470
01:29:45,510 --> 01:29:43,199
i just find it interesting i get

2471
01:29:49,669 --> 01:29:45,520
interested in these kinds of ideas yeah

2472
01:29:52,470 --> 01:29:49,679
that you could create an object

2473
01:29:55,110 --> 01:29:52,480
humans might someday be able to

2474
01:29:56,709 --> 01:29:55,120
without using biology but using purely

2475
01:29:57,669 --> 01:29:56,719
materialistic

2476
01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:57,679
uh

2477
01:30:02,229 --> 01:29:58,800
approaches

2478
01:30:03,750 --> 01:30:02,239
build a sufficiently complex machine

2479
01:30:06,550 --> 01:30:03,760
that creates

2480
01:30:08,709 --> 01:30:06,560
an object with consciousness and a soul

2481
01:30:10,470 --> 01:30:08,719
that's fascinating

2482
01:30:12,390 --> 01:30:10,480
you know so he is

2483
01:30:14,310 --> 01:30:12,400
go ahead did he say whether or not this

2484
01:30:16,310 --> 01:30:14,320
soul would survive

2485
01:30:18,310 --> 01:30:16,320
for an indeterminate amount of time yes

2486
01:30:20,470 --> 01:30:18,320
yes yes but yeah that's what he's saying

2487
01:30:22,790 --> 01:30:20,480
yeah take away the you can take away the

2488
01:30:24,149 --> 01:30:22,800
thing that caused it and it lives unto

2489
01:30:25,669 --> 01:30:24,159
itself

2490
01:30:27,830 --> 01:30:25,679
no now a lot of the reason i'm asking

2491
01:30:29,510 --> 01:30:27,840
about the time aspect is because like

2492
01:30:31,430 --> 01:30:29,520
imagine a flower then it gives rise to

2493
01:30:32,870 --> 01:30:31,440
some pollen well that pollen lives

2494
01:30:34,950 --> 01:30:32,880
independent of the flower but the pollen

2495
01:30:36,310 --> 01:30:34,960
also at some point dies so i'm one right

2496
01:30:37,669 --> 01:30:36,320
okay just because it gives birth it

2497
01:30:38,870 --> 01:30:37,679
doesn't mean that it's in depth yeah no

2498
01:30:40,870 --> 01:30:38,880
it doesn't mean it's indefinite it means

2499
01:30:42,310 --> 01:30:40,880
it needs a certain structure to

2500
01:30:43,270 --> 01:30:42,320
to create that

2501
01:30:45,110 --> 01:30:43,280
okay

2502
01:30:48,149 --> 01:30:45,120
you know i mean

2503
01:30:49,910 --> 01:30:48,159
read his the the the piece it's uh yeah

2504
01:30:52,070 --> 01:30:49,920
i'll send you a copy of it if you want

2505
01:30:53,669 --> 01:30:52,080
please please yeah

2506
01:30:55,830 --> 01:30:53,679
it's fascinating again i don't know the

2507
01:30:57,750 --> 01:30:55,840
math and a lot of

2508
01:30:58,629 --> 01:30:57,760
a lot of physicists

2509
01:31:00,310 --> 01:30:58,639
just

2510
01:31:03,830 --> 01:31:00,320
dismiss him outright

2511
01:31:06,229 --> 01:31:03,840
but as with any of these uh theories

2512
01:31:08,950 --> 01:31:06,239
there's a little often cult-like

2513
01:31:11,669 --> 01:31:08,960
following of people who you know are

2514
01:31:13,750 --> 01:31:11,679
absolutely determined to prove that he's

2515
01:31:17,030 --> 01:31:13,760
right in fact the the the piece is

2516
01:31:18,629 --> 01:31:17,040
written by somebody else is writing

2517
01:31:23,189 --> 01:31:18,639
about

2518
01:31:25,910 --> 01:31:23,199
and kind of collecting it into a to a

2519
01:31:27,830 --> 01:31:25,920
little treat i see i see

2520
01:31:29,750 --> 01:31:27,840
gary and i spoke briefly over email

2521
01:31:31,430 --> 01:31:29,760
afterward and gary said the following to

2522
01:31:33,590 --> 01:31:31,440
me with the caveat of letting the

2523
01:31:35,510 --> 01:31:33,600
audience know that this is not what gary

2524
01:31:37,430 --> 01:31:35,520
actually thinks is quote unquote true

2525
01:31:39,830 --> 01:31:37,440
it's simply interesting mathematics that

2526
01:31:41,350 --> 01:31:39,840
expands one's thinking on the matter

2527
01:31:43,510 --> 01:31:41,360
look at the last sentence of this

2528
01:31:45,830 --> 01:31:43,520
document fascinating emergent property

2529
01:31:47,830 --> 01:31:45,840
he claims again i don't know if this is

2530
01:31:50,070 --> 01:31:47,840
true or anything it's just fun to think

2531
01:31:52,709 --> 01:31:50,080
about the quote is moreover they can

2532
01:31:55,510 --> 01:31:52,719
continue to exist autonomous as persona

2533
01:31:58,310 --> 01:31:55,520
without material reconnection basically

2534
01:32:01,270 --> 01:31:58,320
consciousness or a soul once created can

2535
01:32:03,350 --> 01:32:01,280
exist independently what is not explored

2536
01:32:05,189 --> 01:32:03,360
in figure 9 of the paper he sets up

2537
01:32:06,629 --> 01:32:05,199
humans as the last in the series of

2538
01:32:09,830 --> 01:32:06,639
entities that are created through his

2539
01:32:11,590 --> 01:32:09,840
physics starting at bioforce bracket

2540
01:32:13,910 --> 01:32:11,600
minimal sets of organization of

2541
01:32:15,990 --> 01:32:13,920
space-time objects close bracket up

2542
01:32:17,910 --> 01:32:16,000
through animals and primates with humans

2543
01:32:20,149 --> 01:32:17,920
as the last in the series

2544
01:32:21,990 --> 01:32:20,159
what might be next

2545
01:32:23,430 --> 01:32:22,000
i haven't done much research on this but

2546
01:32:26,870 --> 01:32:23,440
what are your thoughts on remote viewing

2547
01:32:28,550 --> 01:32:26,880
since we're on a similar tangent

2548
01:32:31,270 --> 01:32:28,560
well i think it's i mean like that guy

2549
01:32:33,350 --> 01:32:31,280
tyler henry that i just spoke about um

2550
01:32:37,430 --> 01:32:33,360
with that on that netflix show

2551
01:32:38,550 --> 01:32:37,440
uh sweet sweet guy he's like 27 or so

2552
01:32:40,470 --> 01:32:38,560
um

2553
01:32:42,550 --> 01:32:40,480
and uh

2554
01:32:43,830 --> 01:32:42,560
i mean it's a form of coordinate revo

2555
01:32:46,629 --> 01:32:43,840
remote viewing

2556
01:32:50,310 --> 01:32:46,639
right that thing that that jacques uh

2557
01:32:51,270 --> 01:32:50,320
basically came up with the notion that

2558
01:32:56,229 --> 01:32:51,280
the

2559
01:32:58,950 --> 01:32:56,239
focusing device

2560
01:33:01,189 --> 01:32:58,960
it's not the means and it's not even the

2561
01:33:03,270 --> 01:33:01,199
the position of the object you could be

2562
01:33:04,550 --> 01:33:03,280
any series of numbers it's just

2563
01:33:07,270 --> 01:33:04,560
something that

2564
01:33:09,510 --> 01:33:07,280
you use to

2565
01:33:11,590 --> 01:33:09,520
link to the

2566
01:33:12,629 --> 01:33:11,600
to the whatever it is you're trying to

2567
01:33:16,470 --> 01:33:12,639
see

2568
01:33:18,550 --> 01:33:16,480
so this guy tyler henry uses objects

2569
01:33:20,709 --> 01:33:18,560
from the person

2570
01:33:22,629 --> 01:33:20,719
that he's supposedly

2571
01:33:26,870 --> 01:33:22,639
seeing uh okay

2572
01:33:28,790 --> 01:33:26,880
and uh you know it's not that it has any

2573
01:33:31,270 --> 01:33:28,800
role i think other than something that

2574
01:33:33,189 --> 01:33:31,280
focuses this guy's mind to allow either

2575
01:33:35,189 --> 01:33:33,199
his purely mainstream intuitive

2576
01:33:36,790 --> 01:33:35,199
processes to come into play

2577
01:33:39,430 --> 01:33:36,800
or something stranger

2578
01:33:42,229 --> 01:33:39,440
and i'm you know i i don't know where to

2579
01:33:43,990 --> 01:33:42,239
fall except to say that

2580
01:33:45,990 --> 01:33:44,000
whatever he seems to do is remarkable no

2581
01:33:49,350 --> 01:33:46,000
matter how he does it

2582
01:33:51,189 --> 01:33:49,360
the sun released a 1500 page document

2583
01:33:52,790 --> 01:33:51,199
or a set of documents

2584
01:33:54,149 --> 01:33:52,800
related to ufos

2585
01:33:55,590 --> 01:33:54,159
now i'm not sure if you had a chance to

2586
01:33:57,189 --> 01:33:55,600
go through it even with the cursory

2587
01:33:58,790 --> 01:33:57,199
glance but if you did what stood out to

2588
01:34:00,550 --> 01:33:58,800
you and what do you think that what made

2589
01:34:03,189 --> 01:34:00,560
someone like you even you say wow that's

2590
01:34:04,550 --> 01:34:03,199
interesting i didn't know that

2591
01:34:05,430 --> 01:34:04,560
um

2592
01:34:07,270 --> 01:34:05,440
well

2593
01:34:09,350 --> 01:34:07,280
some of the cases that kit was talking

2594
01:34:10,229 --> 01:34:09,360
about most of what was in there that the

2595
01:34:12,790 --> 01:34:10,239
sun

2596
01:34:14,390 --> 01:34:12,800
uh focused on i haven't read the 1500

2597
01:34:16,550 --> 01:34:14,400
pages i you know

2598
01:34:18,550 --> 01:34:16,560
um my students would probably kill me if

2599
01:34:20,149 --> 01:34:18,560
i spent my time reading 1500 pages of

2600
01:34:21,350 --> 01:34:20,159
somebody else's stuff

2601
01:34:22,310 --> 01:34:21,360
rather than the papers i should be

2602
01:34:23,350 --> 01:34:22,320
editing

2603
01:34:25,350 --> 01:34:23,360
um

2604
01:34:26,629 --> 01:34:25,360
so of theirs

2605
01:34:28,470 --> 01:34:26,639
uh

2606
01:34:29,430 --> 01:34:28,480
no i i think

2607
01:34:31,110 --> 01:34:29,440
there's

2608
01:34:34,070 --> 01:34:31,120
there was frankly nothing new that i

2609
01:34:35,830 --> 01:34:34,080
didn't already know about the about the

2610
01:34:37,590 --> 01:34:35,840
biology cases

2611
01:34:39,189 --> 01:34:37,600
uh

2612
01:34:40,790 --> 01:34:39,199
because i've been talking with kid about

2613
01:34:42,229 --> 01:34:40,800
it for the last 10 years so i guess

2614
01:34:44,310 --> 01:34:42,239
there's nothing really i can say about

2615
01:34:45,910 --> 01:34:44,320
it i'm sorry

2616
01:34:47,669 --> 01:34:45,920
is there something that people should be

2617
01:34:49,270 --> 01:34:47,679
focusing on that they aren't that you're

2618
01:34:53,030 --> 01:34:49,280
wondering man people you're missing this

2619
01:34:56,790 --> 01:34:54,870
whether it's in the sun or whether it's

2620
01:34:57,750 --> 01:34:56,800
in all of these ufo reports that we've

2621
01:34:59,750 --> 01:34:57,760
heard about

2622
01:35:00,390 --> 01:34:59,760
well let's separate the

2623
01:35:06,149 --> 01:35:00,400
the

2624
01:35:07,510 --> 01:35:06,159
it

2625
01:35:12,070 --> 01:35:07,520
what's

2626
01:35:14,310 --> 01:35:12,080
focus on

2627
01:35:15,510 --> 01:35:14,320
well i say this many times the the data

2628
01:35:16,470 --> 01:35:15,520
collection

2629
01:35:17,910 --> 01:35:16,480
um

2630
01:35:20,629 --> 01:35:17,920
you know

2631
01:35:26,470 --> 01:35:20,639
bringing to bear

2632
01:35:28,390 --> 01:35:26,480
real science efforts at doing it and and

2633
01:35:29,510 --> 01:35:28,400
pointing out how little funding is going

2634
01:35:32,550 --> 01:35:29,520
into it

2635
01:35:33,590 --> 01:35:32,560
it's being done on a

2636
01:35:35,910 --> 01:35:33,600
you know

2637
01:35:38,470 --> 01:35:35,920
literally out of people's pockets

2638
01:35:40,310 --> 01:35:38,480
so the focus needs to be

2639
01:35:41,109 --> 01:35:40,320
on talking

2640
01:35:42,629 --> 01:35:41,119
to

2641
01:35:44,950 --> 01:35:42,639
friends family

2642
01:35:48,149 --> 01:35:44,960
you know uh political representatives

2643
01:35:49,830 --> 01:35:48,159
etc to say would you please fund this

2644
01:35:51,830 --> 01:35:49,840
and help us

2645
01:35:54,310 --> 01:35:51,840
understand it because the questions

2646
01:35:56,870 --> 01:35:54,320
aren't going away

2647
01:35:58,550 --> 01:35:56,880
so you know fund either the biology

2648
01:35:59,990 --> 01:35:58,560
studies or fund

2649
01:36:05,270 --> 01:36:00,000
the

2650
01:36:07,910 --> 01:36:05,280
are being done or should be done i mean

2651
01:36:09,510 --> 01:36:07,920
i i've talked about the stuff that i've

2652
01:36:11,750 --> 01:36:09,520
spent money on

2653
01:36:13,030 --> 01:36:11,760
uh personally myself

2654
01:36:15,430 --> 01:36:13,040
um

2655
01:36:16,950 --> 01:36:15,440
and and and my time

2656
01:36:18,390 --> 01:36:16,960
on it uh

2657
01:36:20,149 --> 01:36:18,400
you know it's

2658
01:36:21,830 --> 01:36:20,159
to do it right

2659
01:36:24,149 --> 01:36:21,840
you need to bring in for the materials

2660
01:36:25,750 --> 01:36:24,159
you need to bring real metallurgists

2661
01:36:27,109 --> 01:36:25,760
instrumentation that costs in the

2662
01:36:29,510 --> 01:36:27,119
millions

2663
01:36:31,030 --> 01:36:29,520
yeah you know it's and you can rent this

2664
01:36:31,990 --> 01:36:31,040
stuff you don't have to buy it you can

2665
01:36:34,390 --> 01:36:32,000
rent

2666
01:36:35,590 --> 01:36:34,400
time on somebody else's machines

2667
01:36:36,950 --> 01:36:35,600
um

2668
01:36:38,790 --> 01:36:36,960
but then you still need people to

2669
01:36:39,590 --> 01:36:38,800
analyze the data

2670
01:36:41,669 --> 01:36:39,600
so

2671
01:36:43,750 --> 01:36:41,679
you know getting together here's what i

2672
01:36:44,709 --> 01:36:43,760
would love to see somebody set up

2673
01:36:46,070 --> 01:36:44,719
is

2674
01:36:49,669 --> 01:36:46,080
you know

2675
01:36:52,629 --> 01:36:49,679
set up a consortium of people who have

2676
01:36:55,270 --> 01:36:52,639
statistical analysis and metallurgic

2677
01:36:57,350 --> 01:36:55,280
analysis that if i create the data

2678
01:37:00,070 --> 01:36:57,360
they'll help me analyze it and they'll

2679
01:37:01,270 --> 01:37:00,080
do it in a in a protected

2680
01:37:02,950 --> 01:37:01,280
data

2681
01:37:04,870 --> 01:37:02,960
um you know

2682
01:37:06,709 --> 01:37:04,880
cda you know somebody drives you know

2683
01:37:09,109 --> 01:37:06,719
writes a you know confidentiality

2684
01:37:10,310 --> 01:37:09,119
disclosure agreement so that you you get

2685
01:37:12,390 --> 01:37:10,320
to

2686
01:37:13,990 --> 01:37:12,400
you work on the data first

2687
01:37:15,830 --> 01:37:14,000
and it you know the day after you

2688
01:37:18,870 --> 01:37:15,840
collect the data somebody doesn't go to

2689
01:37:22,629 --> 01:37:18,880
twitter and put out some preliminary

2690
01:37:25,270 --> 01:37:22,639
garbage or say something about the data

2691
01:37:27,669 --> 01:37:25,280
that is you know that i as the principal

2692
01:37:29,830 --> 01:37:27,679
investigator know is not true

2693
01:37:35,189 --> 01:37:29,840
right because there's nothing worse than

2694
01:37:37,189 --> 01:37:35,199
than uh a preliminary data put out that

2695
01:37:39,030 --> 01:37:37,199
somebody else

2696
01:37:41,109 --> 01:37:39,040
says well you said this last year now

2697
01:37:42,310 --> 01:37:41,119
you're saying this here

2698
01:37:43,830 --> 01:37:42,320
right so

2699
01:37:46,390 --> 01:37:43,840
you know i would like to see somebody

2700
01:37:49,350 --> 01:37:46,400
make an effort to create some sort of a

2701
01:37:52,390 --> 01:37:49,360
an analytics group

2702
01:37:54,390 --> 01:37:52,400
that people like me could turn to to say

2703
01:37:55,590 --> 01:37:54,400
here there's a data help me understand

2704
01:37:57,590 --> 01:37:55,600
this

2705
01:37:59,030 --> 01:37:57,600
because i don't have the time to do it

2706
01:38:00,310 --> 01:37:59,040
you know and

2707
01:38:02,550 --> 01:38:00,320
so that would be great whether it's

2708
01:38:05,830 --> 01:38:02,560
biology or materials

2709
01:38:09,590 --> 01:38:05,840
so i i i want people to stop talking

2710
01:38:13,030 --> 01:38:09,600
about and arguing about

2711
01:38:15,350 --> 01:38:13,040
cases that happened long ago

2712
01:38:17,430 --> 01:38:15,360
and start

2713
01:38:21,189 --> 01:38:17,440
doing something prospective

2714
01:38:22,870 --> 01:38:21,199
right helping people do the analysis

2715
01:38:25,189 --> 01:38:22,880
now you know

2716
01:38:28,229 --> 01:38:25,199
mick west for all of the

2717
01:38:31,910 --> 01:38:28,239
uh times that i you know kind of joke

2718
01:38:34,629 --> 01:38:31,920
with him about his uh his seagulls

2719
01:38:36,790 --> 01:38:34,639
um with seagulls you know the oh online

2720
01:38:38,310 --> 01:38:36,800
he basically saying that the

2721
01:38:39,910 --> 01:38:38,320
you know some of the observations were

2722
01:38:40,790 --> 01:38:39,920
seagulls and stuff like this i mean it's

2723
01:38:44,790 --> 01:38:40,800
just

2724
01:38:46,470 --> 01:38:44,800
ridiculous but i mean at least he has

2725
01:38:47,590 --> 01:38:46,480
reached out and done some of the

2726
01:38:49,590 --> 01:38:47,600
analysis even though i think his

2727
01:38:51,350 --> 01:38:49,600
analysis is faulty

2728
01:38:53,350 --> 01:38:51,360
this is what scientists do they argue

2729
01:38:54,709 --> 01:38:53,360
with somebody else's analysis

2730
01:38:56,950 --> 01:38:54,719
which is a good thing

2731
01:38:58,709 --> 01:38:56,960
right because you know at least at least

2732
01:39:01,030 --> 01:38:58,719
somebody's trying

2733
01:39:03,189 --> 01:39:01,040
um you know and others then came out and

2734
01:39:06,310 --> 01:39:03,199
said okay well the gimbal video you

2735
01:39:09,030 --> 01:39:06,320
analyzed it wrong mick sorry

2736
01:39:10,070 --> 01:39:09,040
you know it's you know uh

2737
01:39:12,149 --> 01:39:10,080
so

2738
01:39:18,629 --> 01:39:12,159
we need

2739
01:39:20,709 --> 01:39:18,639
somebody can turn to to vet the data for

2740
01:39:23,669 --> 01:39:20,719
us

2741
01:39:28,470 --> 01:39:26,470
i mean i'm involved with with lou and

2742
01:39:30,310 --> 01:39:28,480
and others in trying to set something

2743
01:39:31,910 --> 01:39:30,320
like that up

2744
01:39:33,830 --> 01:39:31,920
you know because if no one else is going

2745
01:39:35,669 --> 01:39:33,840
to do it do it yourself so we'll set it

2746
01:39:37,830 --> 01:39:35,679
we'll set something like that up

2747
01:39:38,950 --> 01:39:37,840
and that's independent from the galileo

2748
01:39:40,709 --> 01:39:38,960
project

2749
01:39:42,149 --> 01:39:40,719
well no there's there's i mean the the

2750
01:39:44,390 --> 01:39:42,159
gala

2751
01:39:46,709 --> 01:39:44,400
one of the problems uh that way and i

2752
01:39:48,790 --> 01:39:46,719
you know i'm i'm now part of the galileo

2753
01:39:50,310 --> 01:39:48,800
project and they're doing some you know

2754
01:39:53,430 --> 01:39:50,320
amazing stuff

2755
01:39:54,870 --> 01:39:53,440
um is making sure that we aren't

2756
01:39:57,830 --> 01:39:54,880
uh

2757
01:39:58,709 --> 01:39:57,840
that they have a clear set of goals

2758
01:40:00,070 --> 01:39:58,719
and

2759
01:40:01,990 --> 01:40:00,080
um

2760
01:40:03,990 --> 01:40:02,000
but those goals are ever expanding

2761
01:40:05,830 --> 01:40:04,000
because of course they're looking uh

2762
01:40:08,629 --> 01:40:05,840
into some of the societal implications

2763
01:40:10,709 --> 01:40:08,639
and things underneath and behind it um

2764
01:40:12,550 --> 01:40:10,719
so whatever it is that we

2765
01:40:14,870 --> 01:40:12,560
create i don't want to overlap with

2766
01:40:15,910 --> 01:40:14,880
stuff that they're already doing

2767
01:40:17,590 --> 01:40:15,920
um

2768
01:40:20,070 --> 01:40:17,600
so you know that's why it's a good thing

2769
01:40:21,430 --> 01:40:20,080
for me to be part of both of these

2770
01:40:24,070 --> 01:40:21,440
operations

2771
01:40:25,669 --> 01:40:24,080
as we get them off the ground

2772
01:40:27,910 --> 01:40:25,679
what i was going to say before is that

2773
01:40:29,830 --> 01:40:27,920
to speak in defense of someone like mick

2774
01:40:31,590 --> 01:40:29,840
west is that i happen to like people

2775
01:40:33,350 --> 01:40:31,600
even if i'm not saying mick west is

2776
01:40:34,790 --> 01:40:33,360
biased but imagine that he is that he

2777
01:40:37,109 --> 01:40:34,800
just doesn't believe the conclusion that

2778
01:40:38,629 --> 01:40:37,119
these that it's non-terrestrial

2779
01:40:40,629 --> 01:40:38,639
i happen to like speaking to people who

2780
01:40:43,590 --> 01:40:40,639
are biased only because they're the ones

2781
01:40:45,590 --> 01:40:43,600
who are most motivated to find some

2782
01:40:47,430 --> 01:40:45,600
argument that you would not have found

2783
01:40:48,229 --> 01:40:47,440
and sometimes their arguments are great

2784
01:40:50,390 --> 01:40:48,239
yeah

2785
01:40:52,149 --> 01:40:50,400
no i i don't mind him i i totally

2786
01:40:53,430 --> 01:40:52,159
respect him i brought him up primarily

2787
01:40:55,669 --> 01:40:53,440
because

2788
01:40:59,030 --> 01:40:55,679
he at least is trying

2789
01:41:00,310 --> 01:40:59,040
um i you know i wish in his let's say in

2790
01:41:03,030 --> 01:41:00,320
his twitter

2791
01:41:05,510 --> 01:41:03,040
uh like profile

2792
01:41:06,390 --> 01:41:05,520
he basically says he's a debunker

2793
01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:06,400
um

2794
01:41:09,189 --> 01:41:07,440
and

2795
01:41:12,629 --> 01:41:09,199
i don't like the term debunking because

2796
01:41:13,750 --> 01:41:12,639
it basically you says you're coming in

2797
01:41:16,830 --> 01:41:13,760
with a framework

2798
01:41:21,750 --> 01:41:19,189
disprove um

2799
01:41:23,510 --> 01:41:21,760
i people have said that i'm a debunker

2800
01:41:26,310 --> 01:41:23,520
i'm not i'm just

2801
01:41:28,470 --> 01:41:26,320
i just want to explain i i come in with

2802
01:41:32,149 --> 01:41:28,480
an open mind on either side

2803
01:41:34,709 --> 01:41:32,159
um you know because i have as everybody

2804
01:41:37,030 --> 01:41:34,719
knows seen things that i personally

2805
01:41:38,870 --> 01:41:37,040
can't explain or experience things that

2806
01:41:40,629 --> 01:41:38,880
i personally can't explain

2807
01:41:44,229 --> 01:41:40,639
and they don't have any conventional

2808
01:41:45,830 --> 01:41:44,239
explanation um i'm biased because if

2809
01:41:47,189 --> 01:41:45,840
anything i'm trying to prove to myself

2810
01:41:49,350 --> 01:41:47,199
that what i saw

2811
01:41:50,870 --> 01:41:49,360
or experienced

2812
01:41:52,870 --> 01:41:50,880
was not

2813
01:41:54,950 --> 01:41:52,880
the easy thing that i could reach to to

2814
01:41:57,830 --> 01:41:54,960
say it was a uap or

2815
01:42:02,070 --> 01:41:57,840
or some sort of non-human intelligence

2816
01:42:06,310 --> 01:42:02,080
communicating with me so i

2817
01:42:09,990 --> 01:42:06,320
i have a i have a bias but i would be

2818
01:42:12,390 --> 01:42:10,000
perfectly happy to be proven

2819
01:42:15,750 --> 01:42:12,400
a hundred percent wrong

2820
01:42:18,790 --> 01:42:15,760
uh that any of this stuff is

2821
01:42:20,709 --> 01:42:18,800
uap or what have you except

2822
01:42:22,470 --> 01:42:20,719
again i can't

2823
01:42:25,669 --> 01:42:22,480
i can't uh

2824
01:42:27,030 --> 01:42:25,679
dismiss the testimonies of hundreds of

2825
01:42:29,270 --> 01:42:27,040
individuals

2826
01:42:30,709 --> 01:42:29,280
uh at some point you have to give weight

2827
01:42:32,070 --> 01:42:30,719
to that

2828
01:42:33,430 --> 01:42:32,080
in my mind

2829
01:42:34,790 --> 01:42:33,440
what are some of the experiences you

2830
01:42:36,310 --> 01:42:34,800
mentioned that you haven't mentioned

2831
01:42:38,229 --> 01:42:36,320
elsewhere because i'm sure people who

2832
01:42:41,030 --> 01:42:38,239
have followed you oh

2833
01:42:44,790 --> 01:42:41,040
well no i mean i i it's it's known that

2834
01:42:46,070 --> 01:42:44,800
i saw a craft as a young boy went right

2835
01:42:47,109 --> 01:42:46,080
over my head

2836
01:42:49,030 --> 01:42:47,119
um

2837
01:42:51,030 --> 01:42:49,040
you know 30 40 feet

2838
01:42:53,669 --> 01:42:51,040
above me right at tree level

2839
01:42:55,350 --> 01:42:53,679
um i had no idea what it was

2840
01:42:56,709 --> 01:42:55,360
when it happened i i didn't say oh

2841
01:42:58,070 --> 01:42:56,719
there's a ufo

2842
01:42:59,270 --> 01:42:58,080
it was silent

2843
01:43:00,470 --> 01:42:59,280
silent yeah

2844
01:43:01,430 --> 01:43:00,480
um

2845
01:43:03,669 --> 01:43:01,440
and

2846
01:43:05,350 --> 01:43:03,679
you know it's it was only sometime in my

2847
01:43:08,229 --> 01:43:05,360
20s or 30s

2848
01:43:09,750 --> 01:43:08,239
that it sort of clicked

2849
01:43:11,910 --> 01:43:09,760
i said well that was what you saw

2850
01:43:13,830 --> 01:43:11,920
because it always has been with me

2851
01:43:15,910 --> 01:43:13,840
you know and the reason it was with it

2852
01:43:17,189 --> 01:43:15,920
is with me because i went around to the

2853
01:43:19,510 --> 01:43:17,199
other

2854
01:43:22,149 --> 01:43:19,520
people in the neighborhood who to whom i

2855
01:43:23,590 --> 01:43:22,159
was delivering papers at the time

2856
01:43:26,470 --> 01:43:23,600
and uh

2857
01:43:27,990 --> 01:43:26,480
i said did you know did you see this

2858
01:43:29,910 --> 01:43:28,000
and explained it to them and they just

2859
01:43:33,510 --> 01:43:29,920
sort of looked at me like okay kid

2860
01:43:34,550 --> 01:43:33,520
here's your paper money you know go away

2861
01:43:37,590 --> 01:43:34,560
um

2862
01:43:38,709 --> 01:43:37,600
so that's uh

2863
01:43:40,709 --> 01:43:38,719
you know

2864
01:43:42,390 --> 01:43:40,719
that's what drives me

2865
01:43:44,149 --> 01:43:42,400
which is why i would you know call

2866
01:43:47,350 --> 01:43:44,159
myself an experiencer because i'm

2867
01:43:49,189 --> 01:43:47,360
looking to explain what it is that i saw

2868
01:43:50,470 --> 01:43:49,199
you know it isn't to me proof of

2869
01:43:56,149 --> 01:43:50,480
anything

2870
01:43:56,159 --> 01:43:59,990
shook me to my core

2871
01:44:03,350 --> 01:44:01,590
at the time did it when you were a kid

2872
01:44:04,709 --> 01:44:03,360
even yeah

2873
01:44:07,030 --> 01:44:04,719
yeah i mean

2874
01:44:08,709 --> 01:44:07,040
it it was just like this

2875
01:44:11,830 --> 01:44:08,719
how do you explain it you just say what

2876
01:44:13,990 --> 01:44:12,950
so you remember when we talked about

2877
01:44:15,510 --> 01:44:14,000
that there are some people who

2878
01:44:17,350 --> 01:44:15,520
experience seeing some phenomenon or

2879
01:44:18,390 --> 01:44:17,360
some element

2880
01:44:20,229 --> 01:44:18,400
and there are some people who didn't who

2881
01:44:21,990 --> 01:44:20,239
are right beside them now in that were

2882
01:44:23,910 --> 01:44:22,000
there some people or was it just an

2883
01:44:26,149 --> 01:44:23,920
individual who saw and then others

2884
01:44:27,990 --> 01:44:26,159
didn't where what i'm asking for was in

2885
01:44:29,750 --> 01:44:28,000
was there inter-subjective agreement

2886
01:44:31,910 --> 01:44:29,760
between at least more than one person

2887
01:44:33,189 --> 01:44:31,920
yes yeah oh yeah in some of the cases

2888
01:44:35,669 --> 01:44:33,199
absolutely

2889
01:44:37,669 --> 01:44:35,679
yeah i mean i mean the the the council

2890
01:44:39,750 --> 01:44:37,679
bluffs case is is the one in point where

2891
01:44:41,750 --> 01:44:39,760
there were like three individuals from

2892
01:44:43,910 --> 01:44:41,760
different vantage points around the town

2893
01:44:44,709 --> 01:44:43,920
of council bluffs that all saw the same

2894
01:44:48,149 --> 01:44:44,719
thing

2895
01:44:49,590 --> 01:44:48,159
a a a glowing blinking object that then

2896
01:44:52,470 --> 01:44:49,600
dropped something

2897
01:44:54,229 --> 01:44:52,480
bright to the ground and it was bright

2898
01:44:55,990 --> 01:44:54,239
because it was molten metal

2899
01:44:57,750 --> 01:44:56,000
um and then they all arrived at the same

2900
01:44:58,550 --> 01:44:57,760
time pretty much and the police showed

2901
01:45:01,189 --> 01:44:58,560
up

2902
01:45:02,629 --> 01:45:01,199
uh thinking it was a plane crash

2903
01:45:04,070 --> 01:45:02,639
and there was a blob there was a giant

2904
01:45:06,149 --> 01:45:04,080
blob of molten metal on the ground and

2905
01:45:07,750 --> 01:45:06,159
we got the pictures and everything

2906
01:45:11,189 --> 01:45:07,760
uh the original pictures kind of

2907
01:45:13,590 --> 01:45:11,199
unfortunately those those uh polaroids

2908
01:45:16,709 --> 01:45:13,600
feign go faint over time actually if

2909
01:45:19,669 --> 01:45:16,719
there's a if there's a person out there

2910
01:45:23,750 --> 01:45:19,679
who knows how to restore old polaroids

2911
01:45:25,910 --> 01:45:23,760
to enhance the original colors that was

2912
01:45:27,750 --> 01:45:25,920
there it would be nice to for them to

2913
01:45:30,550 --> 01:45:27,760
reach out to me

2914
01:45:32,629 --> 01:45:30,560
because we have the original polaroids

2915
01:45:34,709 --> 01:45:32,639
earlier you mentioned and many people

2916
01:45:37,669 --> 01:45:34,719
mentioned this that it's it may be that

2917
01:45:40,470 --> 01:45:37,679
there is some component of projections

2918
01:45:41,510 --> 01:45:40,480
when it comes to uaps

2919
01:45:43,109 --> 01:45:41,520
and then

2920
01:45:45,350 --> 01:45:43,119
it can't be all that because like you

2921
01:45:46,629 --> 01:45:45,360
said yeah there's some physical evidence

2922
01:45:48,310 --> 01:45:46,639
and then i was thinking i've heard this

2923
01:45:49,910 --> 01:45:48,320
from many other people that

2924
01:45:52,470 --> 01:45:49,920
depending on the culture at a specific

2925
01:45:54,149 --> 01:45:52,480
time the beings if there are beings they

2926
01:45:55,990 --> 01:45:54,159
make themselves comprehensible to that

2927
01:45:57,910 --> 01:45:56,000
culture so for example perhaps they

2928
01:45:59,990 --> 01:45:57,920
appear to sylvan beings like woodland

2929
01:46:01,590 --> 01:46:00,000
beings or angels to later generations

2930
01:46:03,750 --> 01:46:01,600
right and technology to us to a godless

2931
01:46:05,270 --> 01:46:03,760
nation however i don't think it can be

2932
01:46:08,470 --> 01:46:05,280
just projections because when it comes

2933
01:46:10,950 --> 01:46:08,480
to the technology side there were

2934
01:46:12,790 --> 01:46:10,960
reports of ancient flying roman shields

2935
01:46:14,390 --> 01:46:12,800
right and the government also seems to

2936
01:46:16,070 --> 01:46:14,400
be in possession of actual craft which

2937
01:46:18,310 --> 01:46:16,080
means they're physical so what accounts

2938
01:46:19,350 --> 01:46:18,320
for this

2939
01:46:20,870 --> 01:46:19,360
well

2940
01:46:24,310 --> 01:46:20,880
there's two kinds of projections we

2941
01:46:26,149 --> 01:46:24,320
think of projection in terms of our

2942
01:46:28,149 --> 01:46:26,159
you know let's say current understanding

2943
01:46:29,830 --> 01:46:28,159
a projection of something on a

2944
01:46:31,430 --> 01:46:29,840
on a 2d

2945
01:46:33,030 --> 01:46:31,440
movie screen

2946
01:46:34,070 --> 01:46:33,040
right um

2947
01:46:36,390 --> 01:46:34,080
now

2948
01:46:37,510 --> 01:46:36,400
you can have sort of a holographic

2949
01:46:40,070 --> 01:46:37,520
projection

2950
01:46:42,790 --> 01:46:40,080
which is something which appears to be

2951
01:46:45,430 --> 01:46:42,800
there and you know as and is in and of

2952
01:46:46,870 --> 01:46:45,440
itself emanating or reflecting light

2953
01:46:48,709 --> 01:46:46,880
there's a projection of something

2954
01:46:50,470 --> 01:46:48,719
potentially into your head that makes

2955
01:46:52,310 --> 01:46:50,480
you think you see something

2956
01:46:54,550 --> 01:46:52,320
but you know again if you're talking

2957
01:46:56,870 --> 01:46:54,560
about a technology that's

2958
01:47:00,709 --> 01:46:56,880
you know millions of years ahead of us

2959
01:47:03,830 --> 01:47:00,719
maybe it can project material objects

2960
01:47:05,510 --> 01:47:03,840
you know jacques uses the term often

2961
01:47:07,590 --> 01:47:05,520
the phenomenon can take a hold of a

2962
01:47:08,790 --> 01:47:07,600
volume of of space

2963
01:47:10,629 --> 01:47:08,800
and make

2964
01:47:13,030 --> 01:47:10,639
a reality real

2965
01:47:14,470 --> 01:47:13,040
right it can it can literally

2966
01:47:15,910 --> 01:47:14,480
change

2967
01:47:18,070 --> 01:47:15,920
space and

2968
01:47:20,310 --> 01:47:18,080
manifest

2969
01:47:22,709 --> 01:47:20,320
uh material objects

2970
01:47:25,350 --> 01:47:22,719
that's a form of a projection

2971
01:47:26,950 --> 01:47:25,360
at that point does it still retain the

2972
01:47:28,470 --> 01:47:26,960
word projection because

2973
01:47:30,390 --> 01:47:28,480
if something was created here then it

2974
01:47:33,189 --> 01:47:30,400
persists in multiple people

2975
01:47:34,950 --> 01:47:33,199
well i mean the question is is what is

2976
01:47:37,910 --> 01:47:34,960
created

2977
01:47:40,950 --> 01:47:37,920
uh actually functional

2978
01:47:42,790 --> 01:47:40,960
here in our reality or is it just a

2979
01:47:45,350 --> 01:47:42,800
piece of plastic that's moved from

2980
01:47:46,629 --> 01:47:45,360
behind the scenes and made to look like

2981
01:47:48,550 --> 01:47:46,639
it does something

2982
01:47:52,229 --> 01:47:48,560
so for instance let's talk about the

2983
01:47:53,750 --> 01:47:52,239
so-called craft that people see i mean

2984
01:47:55,510 --> 01:47:53,760
i would like to think that there's an

2985
01:47:56,310 --> 01:47:55,520
object with a physics

2986
01:47:57,189 --> 01:47:56,320
and

2987
01:48:00,790 --> 01:47:57,199
a

2988
01:48:05,189 --> 01:48:00,800
from

2989
01:48:06,550 --> 01:48:05,199
sitting here in our 3d 4d world

2990
01:48:07,910 --> 01:48:06,560
but

2991
01:48:10,950 --> 01:48:07,920
maybe

2992
01:48:14,550 --> 01:48:10,960
let's say there's a multi-dimensional

2993
01:48:16,390 --> 01:48:14,560
reality and whatever it is that is

2994
01:48:18,709 --> 01:48:16,400
driving these objects sits somewhere

2995
01:48:20,950 --> 01:48:18,719
else and it's basically something that

2996
01:48:23,669 --> 01:48:20,960
it pokes into our reality

2997
01:48:25,109 --> 01:48:23,679
and it's it's moving it from

2998
01:48:28,390 --> 01:48:25,119
elsewhere

2999
01:48:29,350 --> 01:48:28,400
it's made to look like it's moving

3000
01:48:34,310 --> 01:48:29,360
here

3001
01:48:36,950 --> 01:48:34,320
functionality doesn't reside in our

3002
01:48:39,030 --> 01:48:36,960
side of of the of the veil the

3003
01:48:41,189 --> 01:48:39,040
functionality is elsewhere

3004
01:48:42,470 --> 01:48:41,199
so you know we might get one of these

3005
01:48:43,990 --> 01:48:42,480
objects

3006
01:48:46,390 --> 01:48:44,000
let's say let's say there's a crashed

3007
01:48:49,270 --> 01:48:46,400
craft or beings or whatever

3008
01:48:50,550 --> 01:48:49,280
and they are no more real

3009
01:48:53,750 --> 01:48:50,560
than

3010
01:48:55,669 --> 01:48:53,760
a you know a a sculpted object right

3011
01:48:58,550 --> 01:48:55,679
they they don't have the they don't have

3012
01:49:00,790 --> 01:48:58,560
the function here the function is driven

3013
01:49:03,030 --> 01:49:00,800
from elsewhere okay let me see if i get

3014
01:49:04,550 --> 01:49:03,040
this analogy so in there's this flat

3015
01:49:05,350 --> 01:49:04,560
land which i'm sure

3016
01:49:07,109 --> 01:49:05,360
and

3017
01:49:08,470 --> 01:49:07,119
so if you're a three just for the people

3018
01:49:10,950 --> 01:49:08,480
wondering what the heck that is as if

3019
01:49:12,149 --> 01:49:10,960
we're at least ostensibly 3d and then if

3020
01:49:13,910 --> 01:49:12,159
you look at your paper if you were to

3021
01:49:15,189 --> 01:49:13,920
touch your paper and there was an ant on

3022
01:49:16,390 --> 01:49:15,199
your paper that could only see what's on

3023
01:49:17,589 --> 01:49:16,400
the paper then all of a sudden they

3024
01:49:19,030 --> 01:49:17,599
would just see your fingernail and i

3025
01:49:21,669 --> 01:49:19,040
wonder what the heck is happening and

3026
01:49:23,910 --> 01:49:21,679
you can remove it and they would just be

3027
01:49:24,790 --> 01:49:23,920
gone and violate their laws of physics

3028
01:49:26,550 --> 01:49:24,800
so

3029
01:49:28,870 --> 01:49:26,560
the purpose would be like imagine if i

3030
01:49:30,310 --> 01:49:28,880
placed this cup down

3031
01:49:32,149 --> 01:49:30,320
on the piece of paper the cup is

3032
01:49:34,470 --> 01:49:32,159
actually for water for me to drink right

3033
01:49:36,629 --> 01:49:34,480
but these people see the bottom sliver

3034
01:49:37,750 --> 01:49:36,639
of a plastic and they're wondering well

3035
01:49:39,109 --> 01:49:37,760
what the heck is the purpose of this

3036
01:49:40,709 --> 01:49:39,119
well that's actually not the purpose of

3037
01:49:42,229 --> 01:49:40,719
it they would be

3038
01:49:44,470 --> 01:49:42,239
unreasonable for them to come up with

3039
01:49:45,990 --> 01:49:44,480
the purpose right well and and if you

3040
01:49:47,109 --> 01:49:46,000
were to now move it through their

3041
01:49:48,550 --> 01:49:47,119
flatland

3042
01:49:50,629 --> 01:49:48,560
left and right

3043
01:49:52,310 --> 01:49:50,639
they would see no

3044
01:49:54,709 --> 01:49:52,320
nor even if they were to look at the

3045
01:49:56,550 --> 01:49:54,719
object where it is

3046
01:49:58,950 --> 01:49:56,560
right the pieces of plastic that are

3047
01:50:01,910 --> 01:49:58,960
interfacing in their 2d they would see

3048
01:50:03,750 --> 01:50:01,920
no visible means of propulsion

3049
01:50:04,790 --> 01:50:03,760
the propulsion the propulsion is your

3050
01:50:07,589 --> 01:50:04,800
hand

3051
01:50:09,430 --> 01:50:07,599
moving it left right and center

3052
01:50:11,189 --> 01:50:09,440
so imagine that this is what's going on

3053
01:50:14,709 --> 01:50:11,199
here that there's something else that's

3054
01:50:17,669 --> 01:50:14,719
it's it's the the the motility the the

3055
01:50:20,629 --> 01:50:17,679
functionality is sitting elsewhere

3056
01:50:22,470 --> 01:50:20,639
uh and then what is here is just like i

3057
01:50:24,550 --> 01:50:22,480
said like a projection which is being

3058
01:50:26,470 --> 01:50:24,560
held at arm's length and the purp

3059
01:50:28,470 --> 01:50:26,480
because even looking at this which is a

3060
01:50:30,070 --> 01:50:28,480
light right if at the bottom there's

3061
01:50:31,589 --> 01:50:30,080
just a base that's black and they would

3062
01:50:32,870 --> 01:50:31,599
right they would have a hard time coming

3063
01:50:37,030 --> 01:50:32,880
up with the purpose of that based on the

3064
01:50:39,030 --> 01:50:37,040
base so you know i think we have to um

3065
01:50:41,510 --> 01:50:39,040
be prepared for some disappointments in

3066
01:50:43,270 --> 01:50:41,520
a way because if if what i just said is

3067
01:50:45,030 --> 01:50:43,280
is true

3068
01:50:46,390 --> 01:50:45,040
we might get a hold of some of these

3069
01:50:47,910 --> 01:50:46,400
things and never figure out how they

3070
01:50:50,070 --> 01:50:47,920
work because

3071
01:50:52,709 --> 01:50:50,080
the the engine is not here

3072
01:50:53,990 --> 01:50:52,719
but the driving force is not here and

3073
01:50:55,910 --> 01:50:54,000
and so

3074
01:50:58,149 --> 01:50:55,920
you know it's it's but it is still a

3075
01:50:59,990 --> 01:50:58,159
puppet which is used to interact with or

3076
01:51:01,430 --> 01:51:00,000
in jacques

3077
01:51:03,669 --> 01:51:01,440
sense of the term

3078
01:51:04,950 --> 01:51:03,679
is the control feature the control

3079
01:51:07,830 --> 01:51:04,960
function

3080
01:51:10,550 --> 01:51:07,840
uh the control system

3081
01:51:12,870 --> 01:51:10,560
is it still gets us to do stuff we still

3082
01:51:15,109 --> 01:51:12,880
dance around like a bunch of you know

3083
01:51:15,990 --> 01:51:15,119
like a bunch of monkeys when we see this

3084
01:51:17,510 --> 01:51:16,000
stuff

3085
01:51:20,790 --> 01:51:17,520
um and

3086
01:51:22,790 --> 01:51:20,800
its purpose whatever that might be is

3087
01:51:25,030 --> 01:51:22,800
is fulfilled

3088
01:51:26,550 --> 01:51:25,040
the monkey saw us

3089
01:51:28,470 --> 01:51:26,560
and then the monkeys will infer that

3090
01:51:31,750 --> 01:51:28,480
there is an intelligence behind it and

3091
01:51:33,510 --> 01:51:31,760
that's all we ever wanted them to do

3092
01:51:36,390 --> 01:51:33,520
to think bigger

3093
01:51:38,709 --> 01:51:36,400
to explore to explore the notion that

3094
01:51:40,950 --> 01:51:38,719
they're not alone

3095
01:51:42,229 --> 01:51:40,960
uh and maybe to

3096
01:51:44,629 --> 01:51:42,239
you know to

3097
01:51:45,510 --> 01:51:44,639
learn how to do this themselves someday

3098
01:51:46,870 --> 01:51:45,520
yeah

3099
01:51:48,470 --> 01:51:46,880
like they don't want to reveal too much

3100
01:51:49,669 --> 01:51:48,480
because that's giving away the answer in

3101
01:51:51,109 --> 01:51:49,679
particular it's giving away the answer

3102
01:51:52,709 --> 01:51:51,119
for us to come up with in our own on our

3103
01:51:54,470 --> 01:51:52,719
own yeah exactly yeah and these are some

3104
01:51:56,470 --> 01:51:54,480
of the things i've said before is that

3105
01:51:58,470 --> 01:51:56,480
you know you you you never

3106
01:52:00,830 --> 01:51:58,480
you you don't give your child everything

3107
01:52:02,790 --> 01:52:00,840
you teach them and let them make a few

3108
01:52:04,229 --> 01:52:02,800
mistakes are there people from the

3109
01:52:06,310 --> 01:52:04,239
government who

3110
01:52:08,070 --> 01:52:06,320
watch every one of your appearances

3111
01:52:09,830 --> 01:52:08,080
perhaps even watch the appearances of

3112
01:52:11,910 --> 01:52:09,840
people like lou to make sure that you're

3113
01:52:13,830 --> 01:52:11,920
not revealing too much

3114
01:52:15,589 --> 01:52:13,840
and if so who are these people are there

3115
01:52:16,870 --> 01:52:15,599
multiple individuals the department do

3116
01:52:19,589 --> 01:52:16,880
they tap your phone

3117
01:52:23,830 --> 01:52:21,270
i just got to be careful what i say i

3118
01:52:26,070 --> 01:52:23,840
mean i have been told i should make the

3119
01:52:28,629 --> 01:52:26,080
assumption that the things

3120
01:52:31,030 --> 01:52:28,639
that i

3121
01:52:32,310 --> 01:52:31,040
say are being watched not just by us but

3122
01:52:33,430 --> 01:52:32,320
by others

3123
01:52:35,350 --> 01:52:33,440
um

3124
01:52:37,510 --> 01:52:35,360
and uh

3125
01:52:39,270 --> 01:52:37,520
so obviously i i try to be care i try to

3126
01:52:40,629 --> 01:52:39,280
hold all confidences

3127
01:52:43,350 --> 01:52:40,639
that i'm

3128
01:52:44,709 --> 01:52:43,360
either sworn to or agree to

3129
01:52:46,229 --> 01:52:44,719
you know

3130
01:52:48,550 --> 01:52:46,239
as best as possible

3131
01:52:49,750 --> 01:52:48,560
at one level i can't worry about these

3132
01:52:52,149 --> 01:52:49,760
people

3133
01:52:53,750 --> 01:52:52,159
right i mean i i i've got to just do

3134
01:52:55,990 --> 01:52:53,760
what it is that i'm doing

3135
01:52:58,229 --> 01:52:56,000
uh until somebody tells me not to do

3136
01:53:00,070 --> 01:52:58,239
something i'm gonna do it you know i'm

3137
01:53:01,270 --> 01:53:00,080
not you know or if it's obvious i

3138
01:53:02,950 --> 01:53:01,280
shouldn't be doing i'm not gonna do it

3139
01:53:03,830 --> 01:53:02,960
i'm not gonna put myself or my family in

3140
01:53:06,070 --> 01:53:03,840
danger

3141
01:53:07,910 --> 01:53:06,080
but i have

3142
01:53:10,070 --> 01:53:07,920
i've not felt that way

3143
01:53:11,350 --> 01:53:10,080
uh

3144
01:53:12,550 --> 01:53:11,360
you know i mean i'm not so much worried

3145
01:53:14,709 --> 01:53:12,560
about the government i'm worried about

3146
01:53:18,229 --> 01:53:14,719
this there's any of a number of people

3147
01:53:19,910 --> 01:53:18,239
who are um let's say unstable out there

3148
01:53:22,070 --> 01:53:19,920
in the in the world have nothing to do

3149
01:53:24,310 --> 01:53:22,080
with the government who will be

3150
01:53:26,790 --> 01:53:24,320
convinced that i'm

3151
01:53:28,629 --> 01:53:26,800
doing something that i should be stopped

3152
01:53:30,310 --> 01:53:28,639
you know i'm part of some grand

3153
01:53:32,149 --> 01:53:30,320
conspiracy or

3154
01:53:33,510 --> 01:53:32,159
i know somebody asked a question on that

3155
01:53:35,589 --> 01:53:33,520
thread about

3156
01:53:37,589 --> 01:53:35,599
am i being paid for

3157
01:53:38,830 --> 01:53:37,599
by something that i haven't disclosed as

3158
01:53:44,229 --> 01:53:38,840
if

3159
01:53:45,189 --> 01:53:44,239
my every word

3160
01:53:48,390 --> 01:53:45,199
no

3161
01:53:50,790 --> 01:53:48,400
gary

3162
01:53:53,510 --> 01:53:50,800
thank you very much

3163
01:53:55,910 --> 01:53:53,520
no i mean thank you so much we've had

3164
01:53:57,990 --> 01:53:55,920
we've had this sort of personal you know

3165
01:53:59,510 --> 01:53:58,000
what are our uh

3166
01:54:01,350 --> 01:53:59,520
uh mental

3167
01:54:03,990 --> 01:54:01,360
issues or attempts to

3168
01:54:06,470 --> 01:54:04,000
be more um productive

3169
01:54:08,149 --> 01:54:06,480
uh you know and

3170
01:54:10,310 --> 01:54:08,159
you know i also want you to know and

3171
01:54:12,229 --> 01:54:10,320
people to know that like luckily luckily

3172
01:54:13,910 --> 01:54:12,239
man like i'm i mean

3173
01:54:15,750 --> 01:54:13,920
i'm generally an extremely

3174
01:54:16,950 --> 01:54:15,760
psychologically stable person some of

3175
01:54:19,109 --> 01:54:16,960
those experiences that i mentioned

3176
01:54:20,629 --> 01:54:19,119
recently have set me on edge so i'm so

3177
01:54:22,709 --> 01:54:20,639
hyper sensitive now that i wouldn't call

3178
01:54:25,189 --> 01:54:22,719
myself stable right now

3179
01:54:26,550 --> 01:54:25,199
but generally i am and i'm lucky for

3180
01:54:28,310 --> 01:54:26,560
that

3181
01:54:31,030 --> 01:54:28,320
and you seem like you're stable as well

3182
01:54:33,350 --> 01:54:31,040
so that's good despite your experiences

3183
01:54:35,030 --> 01:54:33,360
supposedly yeah

3184
01:54:37,109 --> 01:54:35,040
some of my colleagues might not agree

3185
01:54:40,229 --> 01:54:37,119
but that's okay

3186
01:54:41,669 --> 01:54:40,239
all right man take care and i will

3187
01:54:43,030 --> 01:54:41,679
ask you for that

3188
01:54:44,390 --> 01:54:43,040
book if you don't mind well you can just

3189
01:54:46,709 --> 01:54:44,400
give me the title and i'll get it i'll

3190
01:54:48,229 --> 01:54:46,719
send you the title yeah okay all right

3191
01:54:50,950 --> 01:54:48,239
take care my friend thanks so much kurt

3192
01:54:53,510 --> 01:54:50,960
okay bye bye goodbye

3193
01:54:55,109 --> 01:54:53,520
so now the podcast is over it's

3194
01:54:56,870 --> 01:54:55,119
generally frustrating maybe you're

3195
01:54:58,790 --> 01:54:56,880
experiencing the same where there's a

3196
01:55:01,830 --> 01:54:58,800
dearth of content new information when

3197
01:55:03,669 --> 01:55:01,840
it comes to the ufo scene and it feels

3198
01:55:05,430 --> 01:55:03,679
like plenty of ground is being trodden

3199
01:55:07,750 --> 01:55:05,440
and then re-trodden

3200
01:55:08,790 --> 01:55:07,760
and so for me one of the reasons that i

3201
01:55:10,390 --> 01:55:08,800
focus on the physics and the

3202
01:55:12,390 --> 01:55:10,400
consciousness is because there's plenty

3203
01:55:15,109 --> 01:55:12,400
that's new and even inspirational there

3204
01:55:17,510 --> 01:55:15,119
that is it inspires some other ideas for

3205
01:55:19,189 --> 01:55:17,520
possible connections to uaps and if

3206
01:55:21,589 --> 01:55:19,199
you're watching the toe podcast

3207
01:55:23,589 --> 01:55:21,599
primarily for the ufo content i

3208
01:55:25,750 --> 01:55:23,599
recommend that you at least check out

3209
01:55:27,270 --> 01:55:25,760
one of the physics videos or one of the

3210
01:55:29,669 --> 01:55:27,280
consciousness videos there's plenty

3211
01:55:32,390 --> 01:55:29,679
that's rich there that's new that is

3212
01:55:34,390 --> 01:55:32,400
inextricably tight or me let's not say

3213
01:55:36,470 --> 01:55:34,400
inextricably tight but has implications

3214
01:55:37,669 --> 01:55:36,480
for the phenomenon however at the same

3215
01:55:40,629 --> 01:55:37,679
time i'm not

3216
01:55:41,830 --> 01:55:40,639
dismayed whenever someone goes over the

3217
01:55:43,830 --> 01:55:41,840
same ground

3218
01:55:45,510 --> 01:55:43,840
repeatedly because there's plenty that

3219
01:55:46,709 --> 01:55:45,520
can be gained by viewing some phenomenon

3220
01:55:48,950 --> 01:55:46,719
from different slightly different

3221
01:55:51,030 --> 01:55:48,960
perspectives so for example even when

3222
01:55:53,350 --> 01:55:51,040
someone publishes a peer-reviewed paper

3223
01:55:55,589 --> 01:55:53,360
with data it's often still insightful to

3224
01:55:57,589 --> 01:55:55,599
interview the scientist and find out

3225
01:55:59,350 --> 01:55:57,599
well what worked and what didn't work

3226
01:56:01,030 --> 01:55:59,360
and what data was excluded and what data

3227
01:56:02,629 --> 01:56:01,040
is extraneous and why do you think that

3228
01:56:04,629 --> 01:56:02,639
it's extraneous and that gives you

3229
01:56:07,430 --> 01:56:04,639
insight into the initial data despite

3230
01:56:09,350 --> 01:56:07,440
the data being the same i believe i

3231
01:56:11,830 --> 01:56:09,360
spoke about this on the podcast with

3232
01:56:14,070 --> 01:56:11,840
jordan peterson where he invited me onto

3233
01:56:15,750 --> 01:56:14,080
his platform i was blessed enough for

3234
01:56:17,350 --> 01:56:15,760
that to have occurred and so i'll leave

3235
01:56:19,510 --> 01:56:17,360
a link in the description if you'd like

3236
01:56:21,750 --> 01:56:19,520
to hear more one should also know i'm

3237
01:56:25,109 --> 01:56:21,760
undecided as to how much i'm going to be

3238
01:56:26,629 --> 01:56:25,119
continuing to explore ufos alone rather

3239
01:56:29,270 --> 01:56:26,639
than ufos as connected to physics and

3240
01:56:32,470 --> 01:56:29,280
consciousness however one of the reasons

3241
01:56:33,830 --> 01:56:32,480
why one should explore despite the

3242
01:56:36,070 --> 01:56:33,840
ground being the same that they're

3243
01:56:38,629 --> 01:56:36,080
covering is that

3244
01:56:39,510 --> 01:56:38,639
at least in mathematics and physics it's

3245
01:56:41,669 --> 01:56:39,520
known

3246
01:56:43,830 --> 01:56:41,679
that one can almost never

3247
01:56:45,990 --> 01:56:43,840
investigate something rudimentary too

3248
01:56:47,750 --> 01:56:46,000
much that there's often extreme insight

3249
01:56:49,189 --> 01:56:47,760
to be gained that when you think you

3250
01:56:51,589 --> 01:56:49,199
understand something as simple as let's

3251
01:56:54,070 --> 01:56:51,599
say a compact space then terry tao comes

3252
01:56:55,990 --> 01:56:54,080
out with an article and you realize okay

3253
01:56:57,189 --> 01:56:56,000
my understanding has deepened despite me

3254
01:56:59,270 --> 01:56:57,199
thinking was at the maximum that it

3255
01:57:01,510 --> 01:56:59,280
could be same with kalama gorov who's

3256
01:57:02,870 --> 01:57:01,520
famous for kalmogorov complexity so

3257
01:57:04,310 --> 01:57:02,880
you'd think he'd come out with articles

3258
01:57:07,350 --> 01:57:04,320
about

3259
01:57:09,270 --> 01:57:07,360
what is complicated he had a whole essay

3260
01:57:10,629 --> 01:57:09,280
a whole essay just on the equal sign and

3261
01:57:12,870 --> 01:57:10,639
you thought well i understand what the

3262
01:57:15,430 --> 01:57:12,880
equal sign is until you read kamagorov's

3263
01:57:17,030 --> 01:57:15,440
essay so plenty can be gleaned just from

3264
01:57:18,950 --> 01:57:17,040
re-trotting the same ground i understand

3265
01:57:20,629 --> 01:57:18,960
that at the same time okay thank you so

3266
01:57:22,470 --> 01:57:20,639
much for watching and as i said in the

3267
01:57:24,870 --> 01:57:22,480
beginning there's an april fool's video

3268
01:57:26,790 --> 01:57:24,880
called ranking of toes or the ranking of

3269
01:57:28,070 --> 01:57:26,800
the toes i recommend you watch that if

3270
01:57:29,830 --> 01:57:28,080
you want to get a different flavor on

3271
01:57:31,030 --> 01:57:29,840
this channel i put plenty of time and

3272
01:57:31,990 --> 01:57:31,040
effort into that and people seem to

3273
01:57:34,070 --> 01:57:32,000
enjoy it

3274
01:57:35,589 --> 01:57:34,080
so hopefully you will as well plenty of

3275
01:57:39,830 --> 01:57:35,599
jokes made about some of the figureheads

3276
01:57:41,750 --> 01:57:39,840
in the ufo scene take care

3277
01:57:43,510 --> 01:57:41,760
the podcast is now finished if you'd

3278
01:57:46,629 --> 01:57:43,520
like to support conversations like this

3279
01:57:50,790 --> 01:57:46,639
then do consider going to patreon.com

3280
01:57:53,430 --> 01:57:50,800
c-u-r-t j-a-i-m-u-n-g-a-l

3281
01:57:55,189 --> 01:57:53,440
that is kurt jaimungle it's support from

3282
01:57:57,030 --> 01:57:55,199
the patrons and from the sponsors that